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[miltiades]

humanist- easy with the cussing... I didn`t even make any comment regarding the Cyprus problem.

Sorry about your uncle but my parents and grandparents were almost brought to the brink of starvation under the GC siege of the enclaves (simply beacuse they refused to succumb to ENOSIS and refused to give up their legaal rights in the RoC) had it not been for the rescue of Turkey. Many TCs died and got massacred, so your pain is by no means unmatched. Yet it is the honorable Turkish Army`s Peace Operation that has brought peace and halted the bloodshed. Turkey is the anchor of peace, prosperity and stability in our region. So again, I acknowledge your loss and pain but we have a problem when you take it to a level of cussing to a country where I came from and who saved the lives of my family.

Can I ask if you were around in those days , because my recollection as a 15 year old is one of enforced enclaves administered by the fanatics who aspired for Taxim. I recall in Famagusta the T/Cs would come out of their self imposed imprisonment in order to go about their daily chores and withdraw back in the evening. Turkey invaded Cyprus not as a peacekeeping force but as a military operation that cost the lives of thousands and displaced more than 200 thousand Cypriots , lets have some sensible debate not propaganda crap.I do not know your age but I bet you got your information from second or third hand fanatics who are dedicated to partitioning our island . The Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs lived and interacted for hundreds of years , the rot started when the Brits begun using the T/Cs as a weapon against what the overwhelming majority wanted which was Enosis , amongst those who erroneously aspired for Union with Greece was I , as well as the vast majority of Cypriots. We were wrong , Enosis would have meant the end of Cyprus as an independent nation and those that now want partition / annexation are also wrong. The invasion by Turkey had been planned from the 50s .

[Murataga]

miltiades- I got the information from my parents and my grandparents... The last time I checked neither are "second or third hand fanatics " as you wish to express them. The rot started when you (as you have confessed aswell) embarked on your lunatic crusade to subject the island to Greece, i.e. ENOSIS, and Turks refused to succumb.

I am not on this thread to discuss the Cyprus problem. Just wanted to make a few points regarding your comments on a post about religion. If you want to discuss the Cyprus problem, post on the corresponding forum (under Cyprus Problem) and I`ll attend if I see anything worth responding.

[Piratis]

@ Ottoman- I don`t know if you`ll read this as you`ve expressed fairwell. However, I`ll write it anyway. I tried to follow your posts during the last few days. I acknowledge your frusturation with the GCs and share your background in the Cyprus conflict However, you dived into the forum with cussing and personal insults and than you did two things:

(1) associating yourself with ATCA and TMT
(2) putting up a Turkish flag as your sign

I personally believe that you are doing more damage than good to what you believe to be fighting for. Such aggression is spreading butter on the GCs` bread and giving a bad face to our struggle. Again, I sympathize with your efforts but kindly ask that you practice more caution in the future under such circumstances.

Translation of what Murtaga said (and turkish_cypriot agreed):

"Ottoman, we agree with you and we are fighting with you for the same racist, illegal and criminal cause. However try to pass your racist and criminal ideas in a polite way, like we do, because your ways reveal even easier our mentality and this is not good for our propaganda"

Don't worry about Ottoman, Murtaga. We can see right through you and we know that you are one and the same. You support illegal, criminal and racist aims and actions and making your words polite will not change this fact and will not make you any more civilized than you really are.

[pitsilos]

@ Ottoman- I don`t know if you`ll read this as you`ve expressed fairwell. However, I`ll write it anyway. I tried to follow your posts during the last few days. I acknowledge your frusturation with the GCs and share your background in the Cyprus conflict However, you dived into the forum with cussing and personal insults and than you did two things:

(1) associating yourself with ATCA and TMT
(2) putting up a Turkish flag as your sign

I personally believe that you are doing more damage than good to what you believe to be fighting for. Such aggression is spreading butter on the GCs` bread and giving a bad face to our struggle. Again, I sympathize with your efforts but kindly ask that you practice more caution in the future under such circumstances.

hey mutaga, the points you are making came later, but have a look at his 2 introductory threads that he opened up?

WHY FOOLS WASTE THEIR TIME, I WILL NEVER KNOW!!!
Why all you reunification fools waste your time talking about a reunification of Cyprus I will never know
The Republic of Cyprus ended in 1974, when greeks tried to overthrow their own goverment in an attempt at ENOSIS with mainland greece, and at the same time `just for good measure´decided to perform genocide on the Türkish Cypriot minority!!!
Oh, and I must not forget to mention that you (greeks) also murdered your own people that were against unification with mainlang greece!
If you greek cypriots are so in favour of a reunified Cyprus why did you reject the Annan plan, although I sincerely thank all those that voted against it
My advice is get used to TRNC (KKTC) because it is here to stay!
We even erected the massive KKTC flag in the north to remind you what you have lost! ... and what is now ours!!!
FACT: Your callous stupidity, and attempted genocide of Türkish Cypriots cost you the loss of 37% of the island, NEVER make the same mistake again!
Do not dream that you greeks can ever win a war against Türkiye, you simply can NOT!
You are full of hot air and Bull shit, you had your chance in 74 and proved how good you were!
FORGET REUNIFICATION, IT IS A STUPID DREAM THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN,.. AND IF IT DID THE CONSEQUENCES WOULD BE A REPEAT OF HISTORY!
Why does anyone want to risk another war! Lets keep the island divided... Dont you think

LONG LIVE KKTC (TRNC)
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10445

GEORGE MICHEAL IS WAITING FOR YOU, GETREAL & BIRKIBRISLI
I heard a rumour that a number of gavurs and a `traitor´ are planning to disrupt the ATCA forum, to name but two: Getreal... or was his name Getfacked!!! and his boyfriend Birkibrisli
Any way `BOYS´I just could not wait any longer, so I thought I would formally `invite´you to ATCA myself.
I really did go to all the trouble of joining this forum, just so I could give you a personal invite
PS: As a special wellcome I have arranged for George Micheal to greet you, he told me he is going to `bend over backwards´to give you a special wellcome, I know you boys will appreciate it!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10443

and then he says in this thread

You deliberately provoked me into behaving on a parr with your mental capabilities, because you are not capable of anything else!
I am glad to know that Pricksilos (sorry spelling mistake) is also brousing the ATCA site, you never know if he studied it enough, he might even one day be able to put an intelligent arguement together, well at least more than the threé words he is currently capable of stringing together...`stained maxi pads´ although I seriousley doubt it

What do you make of this mutaga? 2 threads with flame and then he says he was provoked. at this stage you gotta question
1. his age
2. his mental capacity
wouldn't you agree?

well if the stained maxi pad fits...well you know the story

otto boy, your stained maxi pad is clouding your mind.

mutaga your result of the psycho analysis came much later. first you gotta look at the problem from the beggining and not from the end.

something along the cyprus problem, provocation but we did nothing wrong, ain't it right mutaga?

[humanist]

Murataga, I do not share your views one litle iota. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 74 and is still violating human rights in Cyprus, The international and European courts have found turkey of such abuses. As far as you understanding my loss and the pain associated with that you may as well not have wasted your words because in the same paragraph you counter act it. I wish my uncle was almost starved also, at leats my grandmother would have been able to feed him, so please do not patronise me. Just don't say anything. Because just as our pain is unmatched then perhaps it goes to ways.

Unlike you though when I have to question the actions of the RoC I do depsite the fatc that I was born there. Just like I question the acts of australia that I do not agree with such as the war in Iraq. Just because I live here I do not have to agree with innapropriate actions.

Turkey is nothing more than a bully nation that keeps on violating thhuman rights all around, invasion of cyprus, causing refugee stauts for people, oppressing turkish speaking cypriots who fled to australia and indeed around the world to flee the false oppressive regime that only benefits very few, armenian genocide and the disgraceful acts against the kurds.

[T_C]

@ Ottoman- I don`t know if you`ll read this as you`ve expressed fairwell. However, I`ll write it anyway. I tried to follow your posts during the last few days. I acknowledge your frusturation with the GCs and share your background in the Cyprus conflict However, you dived into the forum with cussing and personal insults and than you did two things:

(1) associating yourself with ATCA and TMT
(2) putting up a Turkish flag as your sign

I personally believe that you are doing more damage than good to what you believe to be fighting for. Such aggression is spreading butter on the GCs` bread and giving a bad face to our struggle. Again, I sympathize with your efforts but kindly ask that you practice more caution in the future under such circumstances.

Translation of what Murtaga said (and turkish_cypriot agreed):

"Ottoman, we agree with you and we are fighting with you for the same racist, illegal and criminal cause. However try to pass your racist and criminal ideas in a polite way, like we do, because your ways reveal even easier our mentality and this is not good for our propaganda"

Don't worry about Ottoman, Murtaga. We can see right through you and we know that you are one and the same. You support illegal, criminal and racist aims and actions and making your words polite will not change this fact and will not make you any more civilized than you really are.

Oh shut up Piratis! I agreed with what he said because he made sense. If a GC came in here and started provoking the TC's saying "we killed you, we'll kill you again, Turks out of Cyprus....etc etc" wouldn't you say/think the same?

We're in here trying to counter your way of thinking about TCs and along comes "Ottoman" proving you right and making a fool of our plight. He comes in provoking people, then cries about it like he was the victim. The same thing that some GCs are blaming us for in regards to the Cyprus problem....so don't try to tell me "you know why" Murataga said what he did or why I agreed.

You only see the negative in what the TC's say and I believe that if you had it your own way we wouldn't be in Cyprus at all, so don't try and hide behind all your excuses when if given the chance and opportunity you would be just as bad as the TC nationalists.
You're only playing the legalities tunes because that's your only option but if you had other options I'm sure you (and the likes of) would of taken them a long time ago without a care in the world for human rights...we know you're waiting for your "shift of power" anyways. I dread to think what it would be like if our well being was left in the hands of the likes of you. And don't act as though you would love TC's even if you got what you wanted either, because I can see right through you too mate.

[pitsilos]

T_C, otto boy and his stained maxi pad is the tip of the iceberg. how about commenting on the role of atca and number one wolfie, eric the when i want to grow up i wanna be a human being

ps. mutaga, your comments will also be welcomed

[Murataga]

pitais- you wrote:

"Ottoman, we agree with you and we are fighting with you for the same racist, illegal and criminal cause. However try to pass your racist and criminal ideas in a polite way, like we do, because your ways reveal even easier our mentality and this is not good for our propaganda"

We either speak a different language or you are blinded by ego and can`t see anything. LEt me know when you have a hint on realities. Sad...

[Piratis]

turkish_cypriot, what Murtaga said was clear, maybe you didn't read it carefully enough:

I personally believe that you are doing more damage than good to what you believe to be fighting for. Such aggression is spreading butter on the GCs` bread and giving a bad face to our struggle. Again, I sympathize with your efforts but kindly ask that you practice more caution in the future under such circumstances.

So Murtaga agrees with ottoman. Him and Ottoman have the same aim. He just wants Ottoman to be more "cautions" and to use different words (but to mean the exact same thing) as to not "spreading butter on the GCs` bread".

So basically the only disagreement between Ottoman and Murtaga is the words they use. Do you think it makes much difference to us when you ethnically cleanse us and then you say "it was just a loving peace operation" or "we killed you and took your land you fucking Greeks"? For us there is no difference. The only difference is that at least the second one is frank and is not trying to hide his barbaric illegal criminal actions behind polite words.

[Piratis]

You only see the negative in what the TC's say and I believe that if you had it your own way we wouldn't be in Cyprus at all, so don't try and hide behind all your excuses when if given the chance and opportunity you would be just as bad as the TC nationalists.

You are wrong. If I could have it my way Cyprus would be a democratic country with no racist discriminations.

You're only playing the legalities tunes because that's your only option but if you had other options I'm sure you (and the likes of) would of taken them a long time ago without a care in the world for human rights...we know you're waiting for your "shift of power" anyways. I dread to think what it would be like if our well being was left in the hands of the likes of you. And don't act as though you would love TC's even if you got what you wanted either, because I can see right through you too mate.

Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkey and it has the right to fight for its sovereignty and the human and legal rights of its law obeying citizens. So yes, if there is no peaceful solution until the day the balance of power will shift, definitely Cyprus has the right to use any other method to liberate itself.
Are you going to tell me that the countries under Nazi occupation didn't have the right to fight back to liberate their land?

About "loving TCs" I can love them as much as I love any other Cypriot. I love my family and friends, but I wouldn't use that word for the citizens of a whole country. The word I would use is respect and I already respect every person (TC, GC or whatever) that respects me and my rights. Bir is a good example for that.
If you don't respect me and my rights then you are going to get no respect from me either regardless what you race or ethnic background is. Those that don't respect me and they instead harm me, are my enemies and I will fight them and harm them and when possible I will send them to rot in hell.

I have nothing against Turks or TCs in general. Unfortunately most of them still carry a mentality from the middle ages, they support crimes against me, and are ruled by Nazis. However there is a minority (unfortunately) among them that do not adopt the official hateful policy of their government against us and they are respectful to us. In return I respect those people as well.