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Re: WTF? What is going on in China?

Postby T_C » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:52 pm

Piratis wrote:
turkish_cypriot wrote:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5f0_1175771241&c=1#comments

:shocked: WTF? Please watch this, this is MAAADD!

Whats wrong with these people? I can't believe what I just saw! :shock:


The Human rights record of china is bad. What I can't understand is your surprise since Turkey is just as bad and even worst in many cases.


The video is about killing innocent people and then selling their organs, using "execution busses", torturing people, and you compare this to Turkey? :roll:

You're too much Piratis. Take some time off before you burst a vein or something....
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:01 pm

it's about human rights. and although i don't know too much about turkey, i do know that there are a heck of alot of them that left homeland in search of better lives in other countries.
you don't see that in the USA much--US citizens leaving the motherland for a better life somewhere else. there has to be a reason the turks don't want to stay.... just a guess....
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Postby Murataga » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:15 pm

gorillagal- excuse me for saying so but that is the most pathetic explanation an American can make about immigrants in the U.S.. Unless you are a native Indian, than your parents have immigrated to the U.S. at some point. Many people try to emigrate because of better jobs and life standards (including the Europeans), not because human rights violations in their country. There are approximately 3 million Greeks in the U.S. and according to your mentality any person who tries to live in the U.S. must be coming from a country violating human rights, well than that says alot about Greece... I would have expected better a comment from an American (that is if you really are one).
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Postby Murataga » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:20 pm

piratis- you wrote:

I asked a genuine question: How can somebody who is Turkish be surprised by the human rights violations in other countries, when Turkey has one of the worst human rights records in the world?

Isn't it a fact what I said about Turkey? You can keep dreaming that Turkey is even near the human rights record of Greece. Although in Greece it is not perfect either (about average in EU) Turkey is way way way bellow, along with China, Pakistan and a few other authoritarian states.

At least the Chinese progress and advance in all fields, and they have a history of a great civilization. I am sure their human rights record will improve soon as well.
On the other hand Turks never had any kind of civilization, all they ever knew is to how to invade, kill and steal the lands of others. And it seems that even today instead of changing their middle age mentality they prefer to live in denial, imagining that everybody else is just as bad as they are, to make themselves feel better.

This is a thread about China, but is mostly a thread about human rights( in a Cyprus forum). So don't get upset for mentioning Turkey, as it perfectly fits in this topic.


You can mention and talk about Turkey until your lips fall off (which soon might by the way), I don`t mind. However, whe you lie based on GC propaganda, I have the right to inform people, so don`t mind me for doing so.
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Postby T_C » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:43 pm

Well I was never aware that there was an exodus of people running away from Turkey so I don't really know what to say. I have family all over Turkey (since both my mum and her sister married mainlanders), I've been to Turkey so many times and I don't understand what is so bad about Turkey when majority of the people have no problems what so ever living there? Majority if not all of the people in Turkey are happy with their lives. I seriously doubt that any of you have ever been Turkey because it is nothing like what you describe. You think of Turkey in the same light as Iraq or Afghanistan and thats just stupid :roll:.
To me it just seems that people from the outside are instigating and looking faults but I don't see why they're so worried or bothered when they don't even live there?
The people who try to undermine the country get prosecuted...so what? If you want to live in Turkey then don't try and mess with the government, it's not hard, if I mess about with the government and laws here then I'll get prosecuted in the same way in UK too. If there was a no insulting Britishness law in the UK then I just wouldn't do it, and if I had such a problem with it I wouldn't live there full-stop.
Look at the foreigners in the UK & USA who hate "westerness" and what they do to those countries with their rights, sometimes giving people too many rights to hide behind can cause problems within your own country and Turkey just isn't as stupid as UK or USA and would never be that stupid. As if giving people these rights in their own countries have been beneficial to their country :lol: please. If anything Turkey is learning from their mistakes :wink:.
Turkish people know the intentions of those who are desperate to mock Turkey and they are not even given a chance to initiate what they want.
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:47 pm

[quote="Murataga"]gorillagal- excuse me for saying so but that is the most pathetic explanation an American can make about immigrants in the U.S.. Unless you are a native Indian, than your parents have immigrated to the U.S. at some point. Many people try to emigrate because of better jobs and life standards (including the Europeans), not because human rights violations in their country. There are approximately 3 million Greeks in the U.S. and according to your mentality any person who tries to live in the U.S. must be coming from a country violating human rights, well than that says alot about Greece... I would have expected better a

i have brought up that same point before, about the only true americans being a native american indian.
my family is indeed a bunch of immagrants--germans who escaped before the 2nd World War (can you blame them?) and on my father's side--english/irish/scottish that wanted a better life centuries ago.
my commnet was more about what is happening today. people are not looking to leave the USA. they are looking to leave other countries, and they come to us for various different reasons. the GC i was in love with came to the US for a better education, and now that he has it, he returned home to CY, leaving at least my heart broken.
but when i lived in germany, there were turks galore, escaping thieir homeland for a better way.
and they are here in the US too, running 7-11s and gas stations. yeah, i am sure lots of turks grow up hoping someday to live in america and pump gas and serve slurpees to a bunch of spoiled little rich kids.
just as i am sure the mexicans dream about coming to america to become bus boys and mow lawns for the rich, fat americans.
gee, i wonder why that is????
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Postby Murataga » Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:58 pm

gorillagal- talk about superiority complex and attitude problems... I didn`t say Turks were not coming to the U.S.... however, as you have confessed they are coming for better jobs and education, not for "human rights violations" as you have tried to make it sound like. By the way when I was in the U.S. I didn`t know any gas pumping Turk (not that I am claiming there aren`t any). All the ones I came across were professors, phd students and business owners that were quite influential in their communities. So perception and environment can lead to quite different conclusions. Just as the America in the slums of New Orleans can be very different from the skyscrapers of Manhattan.

Could you by any chance be a Greek-American, if you don`t mind me asking?
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Postby Murataga » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:02 pm

sorry- don`t bother with the last question.
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:11 pm

Murataga wrote:gorillagal- talk about superiority complex and attitude problems... I didn`t say Turks were not coming to the U.S.... however, as you have confessed they are coming for better jobs and education, not for "human rights violations" as you have tried to make it sound like. By the way when I was in the U.S. I didn`t know any gas pumping Turk (not that I am claiming there aren`t any). All the ones I came across were professors, phd students and business owners that were quite influential in their communities. So perception and environment can lead to quite different conclusions. Just as the America in the slums of New Orleans can be very different from the skyscrapers of Manhattan.

Could you by any chance be a Greek-American, if you don`t mind me asking?


nope, not a greek bone in me. i am of german, english, irish and scottish decent. although my nose looks a little greek.
i live in a suburb of NYC, a city in it's own, and the turks here work in gas stations.
having been a foreinger living abroad, i know what it is like to live away from home, and i love to learn about different cultures. i am not sure why so many turks migrated to germany or to the USA, i am just saying that they did, and in general, the ones that i found were taking the lower class jobs that the natives wouldn't take.
but i could tell you stories about the turks in germany that are quiet disturbing....
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Postby Murataga » Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:22 pm

gorillagal- I lived in SanFrancisco, and the situation for the Turks were quite different than you express them to be in your suburb. Turks were mainly professors, PhD students, business owners and upper management of of credible corporations.

I don`t mind the conclusions you attained from your limited experiences, but if you come here with an American identitiy and try to reflect them as the overall situation of the Turkish community in the U.S. we have a problem, especially given the nature of this forum.
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