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[Kifeas]

Piratis, lets suppose that I am a defeatist in the way you perceive the term. You elevate yourself to a fighter (!). Will you please describe for us the last battle you fought?

The battles we fight are political in the UN and EU. You really don't need to be a super hero to support our country in the political battles it gives every day.
Unfortunately you can't even do that, and on the contrary you and your similars (e.g. Loukas Charalambous) give ammunition to our enemies to fight us in those battles.

The battles we fight are political....what crap.

Hey tell me, has Cyprus won any of those battles. Dont quote useless UN resolutions to me either.

What political battle has Cyprus won, that actually means anything?

I still see 40,000 turk troops, in north cyprus, the turks havent returned one inch of land, the turkish population in cyprus has exploded, the tc's are getting richer, not one gc has returned to their land in north cyprus, turkey still gets to negotiate for entry into the eu (so they froze 8 chapters, big deal!)

buddy Cyprus is a small country. it should make the best of the situation and stop playing political games, and actually get on with improving the lives of greek cypriots in so many other ways. Wasting time and energy on political fights is a useless strategy doomed to fail...as it has been for the past 50 years!

Another corrupted individual, like Lupusdiavoli, who comes here and tries to tell us that we should surrender our arms and our struggle and make the "best of the situation" by capitulating and signing off our cause to exist in 40% of our ancestral homeland, because "Cyprus is a small country" and should "stop playing political games!" Which are the useless and I presume you also mean unethical political games that we play, my corrupted and demoralised friend, that we should immediately stop wasting our energy on them? Can you tell me which are these "political games," because all I know is that we only simply try to safeguard our right to exist in the whole of our country, to have our human rights to be re-instated, and to end the illegal occupation of our country. Do you know any other "game" that we play, for which I am not aware of?

[Kifeas]

By the way, what happened to this corrupted individual called lupusdiavoli? I haven’t seen him around lately!

[free_cyprus]

cyprus does not have the means or the strenth to play political games with anyone...............cypus simplu does what they are told by greece and turkey.............................if and when the time comes that cypriots think like cypriots as one then we might see some changes

[axilleask]

Trust between the two communities does not have to be re established! Cyprus problem is NOT a problem of intercommunal distrust it's a problem of foreign invasion and occupation!
Yes we like our co-habitants in this island the Tc 's and we have no problem accepting them in a community.
What we dont like is:
Turkey occupying part of our home land.
TC's Not accepting that they are a minority and they must be treated as such !
TC's not contributing to : social security taxes or any other fund yet demanding and reapig all the benefits...

When people realise that we dont have a problem with TC's just like we dont have problem with chinese . persians, pakistani, shrilankan , or any other MINORITY that live in Cyprus then they will realise that the Cyprus problem is an ILLEGAL invasion and Occupation PROBLEM !

please tell me something..
How you think that the British goverment will react if let's say one day the Pakistani reach 18% of the population and demand the vice president with VETO power to be a Pakistani? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be Pakistani regardless of their qualifications?
How do you think the US goverment would react if let's say one day the African americans who are more than 20% of the population demand the vice president with VETO power to be an African American ? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be African americans regardless of their qualifications?

Nothing of course! But they wanted this to happen in Cyprus !

[cypezokyli]

Trust between the two communities does not have to be re established! Cyprus problem is NOT a problem of intercommunal distrust it's a problem of foreign invasion and occupation!
Yes we like our co-habitants in this island the Tc 's and we have no problem accepting them in a community.
What we dont like is:
Turkey occupying part of our home land.
TC's Not accepting that they are a minority and they must be treated as such !
TC's not contributing to : social security taxes or any other fund yet demanding and reapig all the benefits...

When people realise that we dont have a problem with TC's just like we dont have problem with chinese . persians, pakistani, shrilankan , or any other MINORITY that live in Cyprus then they will realise that the Cyprus problem is an ILLEGAL invasion and Occupation PROBLEM !

please tell me something..
How you think that the British goverment will react if let's say one day the Pakistani reach 18% of the population and demand the vice president with VETO power to be a Pakistani? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be Pakistani regardless of their qualifications?
How do you think the US goverment would react if let's say one day the African americans who are more than 20% of the population demand the vice president with VETO power to be an African American ? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be African americans regardless of their qualifications?

Nothing of course! But they wanted this to happen in Cyprus !

you are comparing two uncomparable situations.
england and america are not countries with ethnic conflict.

[bigOz]

Trust between the two communities does not have to be re established! Cyprus problem is NOT a problem of intercommunal distrust it's a problem of foreign invasion and occupation!
Yes we like our co-habitants in this island the Tc 's and we have no problem accepting them in a community.
What we dont like is:
Turkey occupying part of our home land.
TC's Not accepting that they are a minority and they must be treated as such !
TC's not contributing to : social security taxes or any other fund yet demanding and reapig all the benefits...

When people realise that we dont have a problem with TC's just like we dont have problem with chinese . persians, pakistani, shrilankan , or any other MINORITY that live in Cyprus then they will realise that the Cyprus problem is an ILLEGAL invasion and Occupation PROBLEM !

please tell me something..
How you think that the British goverment will react if let's say one day the Pakistani reach 18% of the population and demand the vice president with VETO power to be a Pakistani? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be Pakistani regardless of their qualifications?
How do you think the US goverment would react if let's say one day the African americans who are more than 20% of the population demand the vice president with VETO power to be an African American ? Or the 30% of civil servants MUST be African americans regardless of their qualifications?

Nothing of course! But they wanted this to happen in Cyprus !

Not only does your arguments have very strong racist tones, you are also talking about what the Turkish Cypriots want or feel with no authority or right! In fact it sounds like to me you are blind as a bat in daylight when it comes to your comical claims.

You may have no problem with accepting TCs as members of Cypriot community. Well how graceful of you! TCs have been members of the whole Cyprus community for the past 500 years and they do not require your acceptance or approval! You are thinking "double dutch" again...

Turkey is not occupying part of YOUR homeland, but are defending the homeland of TCs from the repetitions of past Greek aggressions. I have not witnessed any mass demonstrations in the TRNC against the presence of Turkish military. Although TCs would prefer not to rely on such a large force's presence in their land for protection, and would rather be assured of a peaceful co-existance with the GCs under a united island, currently there is no one to give that assurance. I doubt there will be in the very near future.

You want TCs to accept being a miority and be treated as such. Perhaps you would care to explain what your idea of being treated as a "minority" is. Toy around and bully them? Make sure they gradually leave the island not being able to stand being treated as second class citizens? You set a good example in Trakya - Greece did you not? By the way, just in case you do not read foreign news, the next president of America will probably be an Afro-American settler (Obama) unless Mrs Clinton wins!

Get it through your head that there has been no illegal invasion of the island except by the Greek milita. The following invasion by the Turkish military was completely legal within their "guarantor rights" for the Republic. The fact that the British were inited to take joint action and refused does not make it illegal. The conventions set up when creating the Republic prove that - -please find out more before making such false allegations! Why it hurts you so much that the Turkish invasion stopped the massacre of Greek and Turkish Cypriots alike by the EOKA and the Cyprus republic being destroyed is beyond comprehension. Answer this if you can - WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF TURKISH MILITARY DID NOT INVADE?

I'll tell you what - you would have had a clown by the name of Nikos Samson becoming your president for a brief period before Greece would have annexed Cyprus as a Greek island. If that was your prefferred status, then you have no right whatsoever to discusss the future of a Cyprus Republic! Just dream on...

[BirKibrisli]

By reducing everything to a simple case of foreign occupation does not help one iota to solve the Cypro,axilleask...
No more than insisting that the Turkish army must remain in Cyprus to protect the TC population,without which they would be breakfast for the GCs...I suggest you go back and study a bit of Cyprus history (1571 is a good place to start) and then come back and tell us how you would solve this problem of ours...What you are doing is only adding to the problem,unfortunately...

[BirKibrisli]

Get it through your head that there has been no illegal invasion of the island except by the Greek milita. The following invasion by the Turkish military was completely legal within their "guarantor rights" for the Republic. The fact that the British were inited to take joint action and refused does not make it illegal. The conventions set up when creating the Republic prove that - -please find out more before making such false allegations! Why it hurts you so much that the Turkish invasion stopped the massacre of Greek and Turkish Cypriots alike by the EOKA and the Cyprus republic being destroyed is beyond comprehension. Answer this if you can - WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF TURKISH MILITARY DID NOT INVADE?

You are not helping things any more than axilleask,bigOz...
Enough of all this propaganda...We need to find creative solutions to a very complicated problem.Turkey's invasion might not have been illegal initially,but it turned into one when they decided to stay. The act of Guarantee gave Turkey the right to intervene[b] to protect the sovereinty and independence of the Republic of Cyprus...Not to partition the island and occupy 34% of it...

[observer]

bigOz

Answer this if you can - WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF TURKISH MILITARY DID NOT INVADE?

Just to provide an answer, for those who don't know, the Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

[zan]

bigOz

Answer this if you can - WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF TURKISH MILITARY DID NOT INVADE?

Just to provide an answer, for those who don't know, the Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on 26th February 1981 in which he said "Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed ENOSIS - I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

They have been told that a thousand times Observer but they claim that he was with EOKA B or Z or something. That was noything to do with them.