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Postby LENA » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:10 am

Nikephoros wrote:This same book is translated to Greek:

Νταντριάν, Βαχάκν. Η ιστορία της Αρμένικης γενοκτονίας Εθνικές διαμάχες από τα Βαλκάνια στον Καύκασο


Please no more books to study ... I am already covered by them... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: just kidding.

Thank you Nikephoros...If I find it only I might get that book or else when i will be back in Cyprus again. Thanks one more time!
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Postby free_cyprus » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:40 am

since we are on the subject of genecide can iask a simple question............ how many people did the greek and turkish empires kill in their conquest of those empires
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:41 am

I can answer easily: irrelevant to the present discussion.

THUS IGNORED.
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Postby free_cyprus » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:44 am

Nikephoros
einstein said everything in the world is relevent.........................and i say the question put forth here is relevent to
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:49 am

Do you have mental problems?

Genocide is a specific term to refer to specific events, coined for a specific purporse. Since Turks distort this word and do not know what it means, I have posted some of the serious research on the Armenian genocide. So next time a Turkish Cypriot opens their mouth and misuses the term to promote their disrespect for Greeks they can be confronted for what kind of compelling evidence exists for the genocide most Turks try to deny. Versus the fake genocides Turks try to concoct to promote their own agenda on Cyprus.
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Postby T_C » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:23 am

Listen Dumb Ass!

TC's claim there was an attepted genocide and if you had a look in the thread I opened just for you there is a picture of our PRESIDENT sitting as audience to people shooting Turkish Cypriots and blessing a grenade as if it were holy water. :evil:

Are you so stupid that you cannot put 2 and 2 together?

Funny you mentioned the Armenians because only the other day I was arguing with an Armenian in another forum where he pointed out to me that both Turkey and RoC are in the same predicament in the fact that they are both trying to deny their past actions for the very same reasons! Instead they try to play it down as "intercommunal violence" or "civil war". :roll:

I cannot believe that I actually stuck up for Turkey on the Armenian case as I now believe that they are most probably guilty just like the Greek Cypriot government of the time... :evil:
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:34 am

... "Where have the pashas gone, running from place to place with cudgels in their hands, scimitars in their belts, blood in their eyes? .... Political opponents? Bring them down. Writers? Beat them. Turks? Send them to their deaths. Greeks? Take their money. Armenians? Chop off their heads. Arabs? String em' up ... Bandits? We'll be with you shortly. Hooligans? Show them right in. ... And now where have you gone, scampering from one bolt hole to the next like sly little weasels? Have you had your fill of slaughter? That's what we've been denied asking you?"[15]



[15.] Refik Halit, "Efendiler Nereye?," Zaman, 6 November 1918.

cited in: Akcam, Taner; trans. Paul Bessemer. A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility. Henry Holt and Company (New York, 2006) p. 245.
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Postby T_C » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:07 am

Akcam, Taner

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Do some research on this man he is a laughing stock! He was even involved with the PKK and that Ocelean (spelling) man. Theres even interviews with Ocelaen where he exposes Akcam. :lol:

And he went to prison for terrorism long before he went into it for journalism :lol:
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:19 am

Really?

http://www.yevrobatsi.org/st/item.php?r=10&id=2801
A Shameful Campaign
by Taner Akçam

... "At the invitation of the McGill University Faculty of Law and Concordia University, I flew from Minneapolis to Montreal on Friday, February 16, to lecture on A Shameful Act. As the Northwest Airlines jet touched down at Trudeau International Airport about 11:00 a.m., I assumed I had plenty of time to get to campus for the 5:00 p.m. event. Nearly four hours later, I was still at the airport, detained without any explanation."

... "About 3:30 p.m. the officer returned with a special one-week visa. Upon my insistence that I had a right to know exactly why I had been detained, he showed me a sheet of paper with my photograph on top and a short block of text, in English, below.
I recognized the page at once. The photo was a still from the 2005 documentary Armenian Genocide: 90 Years Later, a co-production of the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Twin Cities Public Television. A series of outtakes from the film, originally posted on the CHGS Web site, could be found on the popular Internet video site, YouTube, and elsewhere in cyberspace. The still photo and the text beneath it comprised my biography in the English-language edition of Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia which anyone in the world can modify at any time. For the last year—most recently on Christmas Eve, 2006—my Wikipedia biography had been persistently vandalized by anonymous “contributors” intent on labeling me as a terrorist. The same allegations had been repeatedly scrawled, like gangland graffiti, as “customer reviews” of A Shameful Act and my other books at Amazon.com." ...

"The well meaning American customs official could hardly have known the extent of the problem. Wikipedia and Amazon are but two examples. Allegations against me, posted mainly by the Assembly of American Turkish Associations (ATAA), Turkish Forum, and Tall Armenian Tale, have been copy-pasted and recycled throughout innumerable Web sites and e-groups ever since I arrived in America. By now, for example, my name in close proximity to the English word “terrorist” turns up in well over ten thousand Web pages."

"The first salvo in this campaign came in response to the English translation of my essay, “The Genocide of the Armenians and the Silence of the Turks.” In a sensational March 19, 2001, commentary from the ATAA Turkish Times (“From Terrorism to Armenian Propagandist: The Taner Akçam Story”), I was introduced to Turkish-Americans as a mastermind of terrorist violence, including the assassinations of American and NATO military personnel. Posted at the ATAA Web site in April 2001 and circulated via Turkish Forum in December 2001 and June 2003—my protests notwithstanding—“The Taner Akçam Story” ended up by March 2004 at Tall Armenian Tale next to a photo of a PKK member, which was captioned as “a younger Taner Akçam, from PKK.org.” Three years later, the photo has been updated, but Artun’s commentary remains, a frequently cited resource for copy-pasters." ...

So basically Turks do not just lie about Greeks. They also lie about their few dissidents that do not parrot their official state history.
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Postby Nikephoros » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:00 am

To my horror I just checked the Tony Angastiniotis answers to Cyprus Forum thread and he says he is working on a book!

So a small handful of Armenian diaspora historians have changed the historical discourse for good. But look at Greek Cypriots, there are no real good English accounts using compelling evidence to debunk the Turkish and Turkish Cypriot defaming of history. Instead Greek Cypriots have men like Angastiniotis, historical ignorants to lend crediblity to the Turkish defamation campaigns regarding the events surrounding the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

Has Hellenism fallen so badly on Cyprus?
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