Political Equality? This forum is the model for a solution!
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| insan |
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Cool indeed, Alexandros. Now everything you've said clarified in my mind. Thanks a lot. 
Though I have one more question in my mind and I wonder what's your opinion. Let's assume a bill has been intrudoced by a group of members of House or Senate, discussed and guaranteed 1/4(Simple majority) vote in favour of the bill. The bill has been voted in Senate and resulted as follows:
Approx. 1/4 of the Senators of each constituent state voted in favour.
Approx. 2/4 of the Senators of each constituent state voted against.
Approx. 1/4 of the Senators of each constituent state didn't vote either in favour or against but demanded some improvements and changes concerning the bill.
Then this bill has been brought to presidential council for approval. How should presidential council act in such a case? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:20 pm |
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Alexandros, what do you think about a senate composed as follows?
24 GCs(20 from GC constituent state + 4 from TC constituent State)
24 TCs(23 form TC constituent state + 1 From GC constituent State)
The number of Senators from each constituent state may vary in the course of time, dependent on population percentage of each communities members living in the other constituent state. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:27 pm |
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| Like what Bulio, would you mind telling me. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:36 pm |
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| i believe they were eight point that they mentioned i will look for them again. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:26 pm |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:38 pm |
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sorry its in greek brother,which my greek is not that fantastic,maybe alexandros or someone else that speaks and reads better greek can translate.the topics however are:
1)implementation of plan and solution
2)guaretership
3)foreign troops in cyprus(says all troops)
4)settlers
5)return of land and and refugees
6)homes and personel property
7)economy
8)power sharing(alexandros post 6 to 4 ratio) |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:28 am |
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| Alexandros Lordos |
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Brother, the following are the "eight points of AKEL", plus the translation in English:
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1. ΕΦΑΡΜΟΓΗ ΤΗΣ ΛΥΣΗΣ: Διασφάλιση των απαραίτητων μηχανισμών, οι οποίοι θα εξασφαλίσουν την πιστή εφαρμογή της λύσης από μέρους της Τουρκίας.
2. ΑΣΦΑΛΕΙΑ: Κατάργηση του μονομερούς δικαιώματος επέμβασης των εγγυητριών δυνάμεων.
3. ΣΤΡΑΤΟΣ: Πλήρης αποχώρηση όλων των στρατευμάτων από την Κύπρο (και των δύο δηλαδή αποσπασμάτων της Ελλάδας και της Τουρκίας) στη βάση ενός χρονοδιαγράμματος ή με την ένταξη της Τουρκίας στην Ε.Ε.
4. ΕΠΟΙΚΟΙ: Καθορισμός συγκεκριμένου αριθμού εποίκων που θα μείνει στην Κύπρο και διασφάλιση της αποχώρησης όλων των υπολοίπων. Ρύθμιση του θέματος της εισροής εποίκων στο μέλλον.
5. ΕΠΙΣΤΡΟΦΗ ΕΔΑΦΩΝ: Σμίκρυνση των χρονοδιαγραμμάτων επιστροφής εδαφών στην ελληνοκυπριακή πλευρά, καθώς και της επιστροφής Ελληνοκυπρίων υπό τουρκοκυπριακή διοίκηση.
6. ΠΕΡΙΟΥΣΙΕΣ: Αλλαγή των προνοιών του σχεδίου Ανάν 5 και προσαρμογή τους στα όσα περίπου περιελάμβανε το σχέδιο Ανάν 3. Το ΑΚΕΛ δείχνει να επιλέγει τη διαδικασία της μακροπρόθεσμης εκμίσθωσης των περιουσιών αντί της λογικής του ενός τρίτου, που υιοθετούσε το τελευταίο σχέδιο του Γ.Γ.
7. ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΑ: Διασφάλιση ενιαίας οικονομίας και ενιαίας νομισματικής πολιτικής.
8. ΔΟΜΕΣ ΕΞΟΥΣΙΑΣ: Διαφοροποίηση του συστήματος διοίκησης των διαφόρων τμημάτων της ομοσπονδιακής κυβέρνησης. Αντί το κάθε τμήμα να έχει διευθυντή και υποδιευθυντή από διαφορετικές κοινότητες και οι αποφάσεις να λαμβάνονται με τη συμφωνία και των δύο, να αποφασιστεί αναλογία Ελληνοκυπρίων και Τουρκοκυπρίων (7:3 ή 6:4) διευθυντών που θα έχουν την εξουσία να λαμβάνουν τις αποφάσεις. |
and the translation:
1. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOLUTION - Creation of mechanisms that will ensure Turkey's compliance with the agreement.
2. SECURITY - Cancellation of the unilateral intervention rights of the guarantor powers.
3. ARMIES - full demilitarization within a specified time limit or when Turkey joins the EU.
4. SETTLERS - Clear definition of the maximum number that will remain, and assurances for the departure of all the rest. Clarification on the issue of the future influx of Turkish Citizens into Cyprus.
5. TERRITORIAL ADJUSTMENT - Shortening of the timetable for the return of territories under Greek Cypriot administration, and a similar shortening of the timetable for the return of Greek Cypriots under Turkish Cypriot administration.
6. PROPERTIES - An amendment away from the provisions of "Annan 5", and towards something more similar to "Annan 3". AKEL seems to prefer the concept of long-term leasing of properties, instead of the "logic of one-third", which was in the latest UN Plan.
7. ECONOMY - Assurances for an integrated economy and an integrated monetary policy.
8. ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURES - A differentiation of the administrative system for the various departments of the Federal Government. Instead of each department having a chairman and a vice-chairman who hail from different constituent states, and whose decisions will have to be reached by consensus, a ratio of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots Chairmen should be agreed upon (7:3 or 6:4) who will be authorised to make decisions by themselves.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:29 am |
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bump!
Alexandros, do you have no idea about the issues I've raised above? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:30 am |
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| insan wrote: |
Alexandros, what do you think about a senate composed as follows?
24 GCs(20 from GC constituent state + 4 from TC constituent State)
24 TCs(23 form TC constituent state + 1 From GC constituent State)
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I love it. This way no one would be excluded ... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:34 am |
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| insan wrote: |
Let's assume a bill has been intrudoced by a group of members of House or Senate, discussed and guaranteed 1/4(Simple majority) vote in favour of the bill. The bill has been voted in Senate and resulted as follows:
Approx. 1/4 of the Senators of each constituent state voted in favour.
Approx. 2/4 of the Senators of each constituent state voted against.
Approx. 1/4 of the Senators of each constituent state didn't vote either in favour or against but demanded some improvements and changes concerning the bill.
Then this bill has been brought to presidential council for approval. How should presidential council act in such a case? |
Well, obviously the bill has failed to get simple majority approval (as well as the 1/4 quota which it did get), therefore it cannot be approved. The Presidential Council would have to come back with an amended bill, or else "forget about it". |
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