and the hits just keep on coming............
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 6:36 pm |
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I say keep them coming...
The more there is the merrier it is.....
Road to partition is paved by the actions of GCs. This has always been the case in Cyprus, and it is the same again. By their actions they are giving more ammunition to the hands of nationalist TCs, like they did in 1963. Turkish nationalist movement has always gained momentum when it faces an adversary, and I guess GCs are more than willing to play this role as usual.
That is my two cents on this.... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:20 pm |
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| Well this is definately paving the way for the tc to do the same, and at the same time if the bill gets to high turkey will say sod the E.U and step back and no peace plan, i hope GC like turkish soilders they will spend many more years looking at them. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:33 pm |
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| boulio |
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brother said:
Well this is definately paving the way for the tc to do the same, and at the same time if the bill gets to high turkey will say sod the E.U and step back and no peace plan, i hope GC like turkish soilders they will spend many more years looking at them.
I think the tc also should seek action and get what is theres.
concerning turkey and the eu,at least with this current govt.which has a majority in parliment,there number one priority was EU entry i dont think they will say good by to the eu,even if they walk away and just have a partnership with the EU these judgments will be used as a political tool to taint that relationship also. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:08 pm |
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I think perhaps that you are missing the point with this.
The compensation payed to Loizidou was not for her property but for the denial of her right to enjoy her property in Kerynia for 30 years. The 2nd part of the judgement is for Loizidou to be given unhidered access to her property and to enjoy it as she sees fit.
The other cases are being fought on the same basis.
The compensation commission set up in the north does not deal with property in this way. It is only designed to give final compensation for the property and for the original owner to relinquish ownership. This cannot be deemed to be adequate or fair recourse to those people that wish to reclaim their property.
The other aspect of the problem is this.
There will be a heavy price to pay for an agreed partition. We loose our land, Turkey looses tens of billions of dollars. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:25 pm |
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| i dont think theres any way that turkey will pay 25 billion dollars to the suers. i see it impossible |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:44 pm |
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| Turkey is not the only responsible of violation of property rights after the events of 1974. GC leadership, Greece and Britain are also responsible regarding these violations because neither of the relevant parties have genuinely put sincere effort to solve the Cyprus problem after the 3rd Vienna Agreement and High Level Agreements signed. Until now, GC leadership, backed by Greece; still insist on "majority rule" and "no guarantorship of Turkey", consciously even they knew neither Turkey nor TC leadership would accept it. It is obvious that Greece and GC leadership are also responsible of the violation of property rights in the last 30 years even more if we count the violation of TCs property rights througout the period from 1963 until 1968. Nevertheless, Turkey and TC administration have bigger responsibility of violation of Human Rights afterwards the above refered Agreements signed. It is obvious that they violated the 3rd Vienna Agreement. Turkey will either pay the price of these violations or look for a way to reach to a reasonable and feasible compromise either the negitiations result with a United Cyprus or agreed partition.... |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:46 pm |
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by all means if g/c are in violantion go to court and get your property back.
why do you keep refering to greece insan ?is it that turkey is obviously medlying in cypriot affairs and you have to include greece also to make yourself and your bogus idea of hellenic ruling elite legitimate?the court specifically says; so and so vs.turkey in the property cases in the ehrc,how many t/c can truly sue greece? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:39 pm |
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| why do you keep refering to greece insan ? |
This is my opinion boulio... I believe that Greece have big responsibility concerning the violation of human rights in Cyprus. She is the most responsible as being the direct cause of Turkish intervention. If Greece(Greek Junta together its civil political backers) had stopped its illegal actions in 1968-74 period; there would have been neither a reason nor an "excuse" for Turkey to intervene and as Klerides acknowledged; a mutually agreed solution would have been reached in 1972 with an improved constitution.
Moreover, Greece being one of the guarantor powers has never exerted sincere effort to solve the problem on a bi-communal, bi-zonal basis, upon the principle of "political equality". To the contrary, she always given support to enemies of Turkey in order to weaken and make her obbey all what she wants.
Stiil, as we have all known there's no divergences between the government of Greece and GC leadership. They still insist on "majority rule" and no guarantorship of Turkey.
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| the court specifically says; so and so vs.turkey in the property cases in the ehrc,how many t/c can truly sue greece? |
All of the affected TCs of 1963-74 period can truly sue Greece but the fact is that most of them do not wish to return to their former homes and lands... That's the difference between TC refugees and GC refugees |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:48 pm |
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you know piratis is correct in saying that whenever someone questions the t/c and turkey they immediatly jump to the past to the 1963-1974 years,were does the t/c have the right to sue the hellenic republic?i dont need a history lesson(my version and yours are different),but a answer to the following question:
to more current events
how many t/c can truly sue greece for violations of human rights in cyprus?
very weak answer:
All of the affected TCs of 1963-74 period can truly sue Greece but the fact is that most of them do not wish to return to their former homes and lands... That's the difference between TC refugees and GC refugees
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