Erdogan Urges France To Drop Armenian Genocide Recognition
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IN THE 19th CENTURY IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE:
29 Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of pasha,
22 Armenians became ministers, including Ministers of Foreign Affairs,
33 Armenians were elected to the Parliament,
7 Armenians were appointed as Ambassadors, 11 as Consul Generals,
11 Armenians served in universities as professors.
There were 803 Armenian schools employing 2088 teachers with over 80,000 pupils within the Ottoman Empire in 1901-2.
BRITISH CONSUL IN ERZURUM, GRAVES replied to the question of New York Herald Reporter Sydney Whitman "If no Armenian revolutionary had come to this country, if they had not stirred Armenian revolution, would these clashes have occurred?" as follows;
"Of course not. I doubt if a single Armenian would have been killed."
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Haven't we made a genocide to Armenians?
Yes, If you want to make a genocide, if you want to destroy a race.. You should give that race and its people status in your own parliament. You would be succesful, if you give them ministries.
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Think about it, Germans had given to Jews high status in their parliment...?! |
Your arguments are, once again, flawed.
TCs also had 33% of the governmental positions in the RoC. So does this mean that no GC harmed any TC???
Thing before you speak/post.
ALso the difference between the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust is that the genocide was focused on removing the ethnic people from that region by whatever means necessary whereas in the Holocaust Hitler aimed at EXTERMINATING the Jewish race altogether. I don't think the Ottomans cared about exterminating the Armenians completely. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:43 am |
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| magikthrill wrote: |
| unnamedman wrote: |
IN THE 19th CENTURY IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE:
29 Armenians achieved the highest governmental rank of pasha,
22 Armenians became ministers, including Ministers of Foreign Affairs,
33 Armenians were elected to the Parliament,
7 Armenians were appointed as Ambassadors, 11 as Consul Generals,
11 Armenians served in universities as professors.
There were 803 Armenian schools employing 2088 teachers with over 80,000 pupils within the Ottoman Empire in 1901-2.
BRITISH CONSUL IN ERZURUM, GRAVES replied to the question of New York Herald Reporter Sydney Whitman "If no Armenian revolutionary had come to this country, if they had not stirred Armenian revolution, would these clashes have occurred?" as follows;
"Of course not. I doubt if a single Armenian would have been killed."
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Haven't we made a genocide to Armenians?
Yes, If you want to make a genocide, if you want to destroy a race.. You should give that race and its people status in your own parliament. You would be succesful, if you give them ministries.
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Think about it, Germans had given to Jews high status in their parliment...?! |
Your arguments are, once again, flawed.
TCs also had 33% of the governmental positions in the RoC. So does this mean that no GC harmed any TC???
Thing before you speak/post.
ALso the difference between the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust is that the genocide was focused on removing the ethnic people from that region by whatever means necessary whereas in the Holocaust Hitler aimed at EXTERMINATING the Jewish race altogether. I don't think the Ottomans cared about exterminating the Armenians completely. |
Man, you couldn't understand me, just read carefully. If ottomans want to kill all of the armenians, -it makes that so-called genocide, genocide- it had never given them a status like pasha.
Please Attention to !!!??? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:09 pm |
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| unnamedman wrote: |
Man, you couldn't understand me, just read carefully. If ottomans want to kill all of the armenians, -it makes that so-called genocide, genocide- it had never given them a status like pasha.
Please Attention to !!!??? |
I'm not quite understanding. Are you saying that by giving such positions to Armenians, the Turks showed their unwillingness to annihilate them? Because if this is what you are saying I don't see how there is any correlation between the two? |
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Hi guys, I pretty much signed up to answer some of your posts regarding the genocide. I know many Turks are denying it (most of 'em never even heard about it, since it was completely erased from their history), but never though Greeks could feel the same.
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Hey dawn, you must either be an eye witness of the alleged genocide or you made a deep research about it. Don't you know how easy it is to create billion of false propaganda reports to delude the world. Obviously you are one of the deluded one. Have a look at www.mari.org to read about how Maronites persecuted by GC Orthodox church under the Ottoman rule. Then go www.cyprus-gov.cy and read how GC ruling elite distort the history of Maronites.
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are articles posted by the New York Times, not sufficient "research"? or are Turkish textbooks more credible sources? |
mari= Maronite Research Institute.
mari.org is an official Maronite site.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:26 pm |
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| magikthrill wrote: |
| unnamedman wrote: |
Man, you couldn't understand me, just read carefully. If ottomans want to kill all of the armenians, -it makes that so-called genocide, genocide- it had never given them a status like pasha.
Please Attention to !!!??? |
I'm not quite understanding. Are you saying that by giving such positions to Armenians, the Turks showed their unwillingness to annihilate them? Because if this is what you are saying I don't see how there is any correlation between the two? |
I used sentences with full of allegory in my post. I mean, Ottomans cannot make a genocide, because they were so tolerated that they can give status to Armenian.
Türkçe Biliyorsan: Ben soykırım yapmak istediğim bir ırka, en yüksek rütberleri vermezdim! Bu bile soykırımın olamayacaağını gösterir. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:51 pm |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:36 pm |
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| Insan, wasn't it the Ottomans who wanted to rid Cyprus of all Catholics (inc. Maronites) as payback for the Crusades? |
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| What??? I have never heard such a thing Main_Source!!! Where did you get that information? |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:44 pm |
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| Main_Source wrote: |
| Insan, wasn't it the Ottomans who wanted to rid Cyprus of all Catholics (inc. Maronites) as payback for the Crusades? |
Follow the above link, I'm sure you'll find the right answer. It was GC Orthodox priests who retaliated to catholics. Read how sneaky priests, GC community once had. Read how those priests provoked Ottoman's to do rpiest's dirty job. Though still there are some who have the same mentality.
One of the most famous Maronite persecuter is Hadgi Yourgadgis who governed Cyprus for 30 years. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:54 pm |
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| ALso the difference between the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust is that the genocide was focused on removing the ethnic people from that region by whatever means necessary whereas in the Holocaust Hitler aimed at EXTERMINATING the Jewish race altogether. I don't think the Ottomans cared about exterminating the Armenians completely. |
Do you really believe that relocating a people from one place to another means "genocide"? If this means genocide, why should Turkey recognise it as "genocide"? Who defines the term "genocide"? The winning powers?? Genocide means exterminating a race from the Earth. You said it by yourself that Ottomans did not care about exterminating Armenians. Armenians were cooperating with Russia to invade and occupy eastern Anatolia by attacking the Turkish and Kurdish inhabitants. These people as a response had attacked to Armenian villages and killed innocent civilians. This has nothing to do with the role of the state in this events. Millions of Turks were also died because of the invasion of Ottoman empire. And after 2. World War, the official Ottoman army was abolished by the ruling powers, so Ottomans have more important things to do rather than exterminating the whole Armenian race from the Earth. Turkey should appologise for the death of Armenians due to the relocation process. Armenia also should appologise for the terrorist activities in Eastern Turkey AND IT SHOULD STOP DEMANDING LAND FROM REPUBLIC OF TURKEY. |
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