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Yes or No to Annan's plan - part 2

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YES or NO to Annan's plan?

I am Turkish Cypriot and I will vote YES
2
29%
I am Greek Cypriot and I will vote YES
3
43%
I am Turkish Cypriot and I will vote NO
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No votes
I am Greek Cypriot and I will vote NO
2
29%
I have no clue. I will vote whatever our leaders say.
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 7

Postby PEACE » Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:04 pm

It also puts the control of the decisions to foreigners since in both the commision and the court foreigners are included.


I put them to supply neutrality! I supposed that Tc and Gc desires can be different time to time.


What I could agree for is that in the "very important" matters that TC can veto we could include matters that TC consider crucial.


"Very important" ... This leaves a open door. Who will decide which is important and which is not? May be it seems so important to me but its not important for you!



But all these matters have to be decided before we agree on a solution so both you and us will know how everything will work. If everything is clear there will not be any conflicts.


Ah yes exactly! Unless we can't say "we agreed" :wink: We have to decide "Very important" and "not important" things and each side have to make a research if they are important or not ! :)


"Not important" things mustn't make a loss in TCS !They have to be not harmful things for Annan Plan order and TCS' benefits.
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Postby metecyp » Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:09 am

"Very important" ... This leaves a open door. Who will decide which is important and which is not? May be it seems so important to me but its not important for you!

I don't agree here. I think it is possible before a solution or shorty after a solution to decide when veto power can be used or not. It is not rocket science.

I agree that everything has to be defined beforehand, so we don't have problems again. I think the most important thing is that the balance set up with Annan plan should be preserved. We don't want G/Cs to propose amendments to the constitution again a couple of years after a solution, trying to get rid of priviliges and veto power given to T/Cs as they did in 1963. Therefore, we need to make sure everybody knows what can be changed, what can be vetoed for, etc.

I personally think that veto power for every subject is not needed. As long as Annan plan balances are preserved, I'll even be happy to even live without veto.
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Postby PEACE » Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:25 am

I don't agree here. I think it is possible before a solution or shorty after a solution to decide when veto power can be used or not. It is not rocket science


Of course its not rocket science... I never said its so so difficult to determine which will be important and which ones not! If wanted it can be determined ! :wink: I just wanted to mean that we have to be objective about this subject.
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Postby Papas » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:41 pm

Where is the "Hell NO" option?
It is bad enough that we are even discussing such crap.
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Postby metecyp » Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:23 am

Where is the "Hell NO" option?

You mean "Hell NO" to a united Cyprus? I don't think that there will be another chance to unite Cyprus for a loooong time if Annan plan is gone. So you might consider your "Hello No", if not, enjoy your "democracy" in the south!
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Possibility...

Postby PEACE » Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:56 pm

Nobody is thinking that after 1 May Cyprus can be divided into two forewer.None of you thinking that if Cyprus enters to EU in this situation you will face many problems with EU.None of you thinking that if you say "No" in referendum embargos will finish or even USA can recognize TRNC or any other countries! These seems so impossible to you? But think about their possibility too !
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Postby michalis » Wed Feb 25, 2004 9:53 pm

I m a greekcypriot and of course I will vote YES to the Anan Plan. Im very bored of hearing and hearing and all this brainwashing that we pass when there is an attempt to solve the problem.

Lets approach the problem in a more constructive way with Flexibility and open mindness. Problems and deficiencies can be overcomed when there is Good will. There is nothing as a Perfect Plan . Perfect plan appears only in our minds. There is no Perfect plan as there is no Perfect Woman/ Man.
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Postby PEACE » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:57 pm

There is no Perfect plan as there is no Perfect Woman/ Man.


I strongly agree with you michalis! I said this before but nobody listened!
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Postby metecyp » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:55 pm

Lets approach the problem in a more constructive way with Flexibility and open mindness. Problems and deficiencies can be overcomed when there is Good will. There is nothing as a Perfect Plan . Perfect plan appears only in our minds. There is no Perfect plan as there is no Perfect Woman/ Man.

Michalis, it's people like you on both sides that will bring peace on our island. We shall overcome! Thanks for your message.
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Re: Possibility...

Postby antonis » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:07 am

None of you thinking that if you say "No" in referendum embargos will finish or even USA can recognize TRNC or any other countries! These seems so impossible to you? But think about their possibility too !


Yes, this is impossible. TRNC is a result of illegal military occupation and will NEVER be recognized.
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