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Kikapu turns a new leaf.........!!!

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:23 pm

I have just come to a realisation, that arguing with fellow Cypriots TC's and GC's on this Forum has done non of us any good. We argue and call each other names and wish this and wish that, and all the time, those who can do something about the Cyprus Problems just go about their business by not doing anything constructive, the politicians. If they do not have the will, what is it that we on the forum trying to achieve, other than just getting things off our chest and take abuse and give some back. I will therefore, stay away from the politics of Cyprus and concentrate more on other aspects of discussion on the Forum, that can actually be a pleasure to read and to respond to. I will take part only in the "light side" of Cyprus Politics and will refrain from making accusations and hurdling insults to others. You are free to do as you wish with me however.

The boat for Cyprus's destiny has already left the dock my friends, so no amount of abusing each other is going to bring her back. She has already set course, but we do not know what that is yet, so as all journeys in life, she will have good days and bad days. We just have to live with the journey to her Destiny I'm afraid, as we have done throughout her past history.

So, I extend a hand of friendship with those that I've had some bad moments with on the forum and will try to see their points of view without criticising the content of their post, but perhaps ask questions instead to clarify their positions better for us to understand their point of view. Instead of criticizing their posts, I will try to editorialize it instead by giving an opinions with questions.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:53 pm

Its a coincidence that before I read this post I had already sent you this on the other thread. You are ofcourse correct that everybodys' going around in circles which prompted me to post the following. Cut and pasted again.



Kikapu; Could you possibly guess what would the situation of Cyprus be in the next few years.Without commenting who thinks who is right, who started this or who did that? We have a rough ideas about what we realy want as a solution, some realistic and some not so. In fact all forum members could put down as to how they see the near future. (no dreams) in realistic and pragmatic terms. At the moment all I see is a gradual separation of two communities eventually leading to a permanent bizonal federation of some sorts.This, I would blame on gutless politicans on one hand and an ultra hardliner who has no intention of uniting the island on the other.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:02 pm

denizaksulu wrote:Its a coincidence that before I read this post I had already sent you this on the other thread. You are ofcourse correct that everybodys' going around in circles which prompted me to post the following. Cut and pasted again.



Kikapu; Could you possibly guess what would the situation of Cyprus be in the next few years.Without commenting who thinks who is right, who started this or who did that? We have a rough ideas about what we realy want as a solution, some realistic and some not so. In fact all forum members could put down as to how they see the near future. (no dreams) in realistic and pragmatic terms. At the moment all I see is a gradual separation of two communities eventually leading to a permanent bizonal federation of some sorts.This, I would blame on gutless politicans on one hand and an ultra hardliner who has no intention of uniting the island on the other.
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Timing is everything sometimes Denizaksulu. :lol:

You are correct, if Turkey has made of it's mind to forget about ever joining the EU. However, if Turkey still has desires to reform and become Westernised, then I believe she would settle for the terms below. I'm sorry to say this, but the TC's can only go with what Turkey decides, and not the other way around.

The only way forward in my view is a USA style of Federation with 2 states. It can be called North and South Cyprus without any references to Turkish or Greek of any part of the island. Federal Laws apply equally to both States, and all State laws cannot override the Federal Laws. This way, it is no use trying to write anything unconstitutional in State laws that are racist, undemocratic, or against Human Right, because they will be challenged in the Federal Courts. Anything that seems to be unconstitutional will first go through their own states judicial system, before going to the Federal Courts, then ultimately to the Supreme Court. Their decision is final. It will be in the interest of all Cypriots to get the Federal Constitution in a workable way so that it is very clear and does not need to go to the Courts every five minutes to argue what exactly certain "amendments" mean.

State laws will also have laws that will be unique to them also. For example, as well a Federal Holidays, they will also have their own State holidays or events. The important thing will be, that the Federal Laws will protect every one's rights, whether you are a minority or a majority. Our smallest State in the USA has same number of senators in the Senate as do the largest state, each with 2. One represents less than 1 million people, and the other over 30 million. As for the Congressional representatives, that is based on number of people residing in various districts, because they only represent a district, within the State. It really does not matter who lives in the district, TC's or GC's, because their interest are represented in the Congress.

State will also have their own local government Senators and Representatives also, which again, will be there who ever is chosen by the people in their district. I do see these decision being based on ethnic lines at first, but as time goes by, it will be more on ideology and political will. This will get more refined as trust is built and the past is put aside.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:25 am

Thanks Kikapu for the reply. It sounds like a better solution than what the Partitionist would like. Lots of TCs would go along with this idea as well as a lot of politicians. If only.....they had the courage to say so!! :? :?
What would our GC friends say about this. Most of them might not like the Idea of a dual federal state but might see it as the only working solution. I hope we hear from our other friends. Some replies I can already predict.
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Postby humanist » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:29 am

Kikapu for President of the United States of Cyprus. Further to that I would even keep the current boundaries as the state boundaries and the Green line can becoame the peace park of-course with good compensation for those who own property in the Greenline, with a bike track all the way and small tent parks along the way so that people can camp along the way if the choose to walk the distance, inclussive of nature reserves etc, and of-course tashinopita stands :)
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:08 pm

Tachinopitta, hmmm I am on my way to Welling to that Turkish Bakery. They make the best ones in the UK. Lovely Lahmacun as well.
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Postby humanist » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:26 pm

yum:) :) :) :) Lahmacun ...... my mouth is watering stop it already
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Re: Kikapu turns a new leaf.........!!!

Postby Get Real! » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:43 pm

Kikapu wrote:I will therefore, stay away from the politics of Cyprus and concentrate more on other aspects of discussion on the Forum, that can actually be a pleasure to read and to respond to. I will take part only in the "light side" of Cyprus Politics and will refrain from making accusations and hurdling insults to others. You are free to do as you wish with me however.

Kikapu, I think you're full of shit on this and that it won't take you long to go right back into the VP arguments... all it takes is a tiny bit of bait from VP or vice versa and you'll both be at it again God bless you both! :lol:
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Re: Kikapu turns a new leaf.........!!!

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:05 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:I will therefore, stay away from the politics of Cyprus and concentrate more on other aspects of discussion on the Forum, that can actually be a pleasure to read and to respond to. I will take part only in the "light side" of Cyprus Politics and will refrain from making accusations and hurdling insults to others. You are free to do as you wish with me however.

Kikapu, I think you're full of shit on this and that it won't take you long to go right back into the VP arguments... all it takes is a tiny bit of bait from VP or vice versa and you'll both be at it again God bless you both! :lol:


I'm serious GR about the insults and and accusations. If members post Racist and Undemocratic remarks, then of course I will point them out, as being Racist remarks, without accusing the member being Racist.

I'll let others reach their own conclusions. :wink:

As for VP, well, he does not talk to me anyways, so I'll take your bet. :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:09 pm

I don't see why we should blame the politicians. If we could agree with each other here but the politicians could not, then I would I agree with you for blaming them. Then we could say to them: "Here we can agree on solutions to our problem, why can't you do the same?"

But since here we can not agree then the politicians, who are our representatives, can not agree either. If they could, that would mean that the representatives of at least one of the sides do not really represent the people they were supposed to represent.

Therefore each one of us is responsible for the actions of his side and not just the politicians, especially since we claim that our leaders are democratically elected.

Of course I am not sure how much Talat and co. represent the TCs, since not only they need the votes of settlers to be elected, but they also have to do what the Turkish army demands, and not what TCs want. Still, since apparently the views of the Turkish army and the majority of TCs are not very different anyways, that doesn't seem to be a big issue in this case.
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