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UN makes new move on Cyprus

Postby insan » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:32 pm

UN makes new move on Cyprus
LONDON (AP) - United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan yesterday asked the president of Cyprus to list his objections to a UN plan to reunite the divided island, so that the dispute could be resolved.

President Tassos Papadopoulos last year rejected Annan’s plan to reunify the island and the proposal was overwhelmingly rejected by Greek Cypriots in an April referendum, in which the Turkish Cypriots voted for the UN blueprint.

Annan, who is on a visit to London, told a news conference it would be helpful if Papadopoulos listed his objections to the plan before talks resumed.

Papadopoulos “has had a chance to talk to his people and to think through,” Annan said.

“I would urge (Papadopoulos) to really put his views on paper, the changes he would want to have. It will be helpful for anyone who is going to begin discussions or resumption of talks,” he added. “A proposal was on the table, he had objections to it and a detailed list of his objections would help.”


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Papadopulos: You well know what changes I want in the Annan Plan. Therefore there's no need for put my views on paper regarding what changes I want. We want EU to put more pressure upon Turkey to accept the Annan Plan as we want. :lol: :lol:
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Postby magikthrill » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:39 pm

If you ask me the Americans are being stingy. They could afford some more money but alas they choose to use on killing innocent women and children :roll:
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:41 pm

Papadopoulos responded in a really rediculous way to Anan's call. He said that it was not an objective call because Anan did not ask the same thing from Erdogan! This is totally absurd. The turkish side has accepted the plan. It is Papadopoulos who wants chances to the plan, not Erdogan. In effect, Papadopoulos is asking Erdogan to propose ... changes. I think our president has lost it. He has gone bonkers!
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:37 pm

Bananiot wrote:Papadopoulos responded in a really rediculous way to Anan's call. He said that it was not an objective call because Anan did not ask the same thing from Erdogan! This is totally absurd. The turkish side has accepted the plan. It is Papadopoulos who wants chances to the plan, not Erdogan. In effect, Papadopoulos is asking Erdogan to propose ... changes. I think our president has lost it. He has gone bonkers!


Yeah I heard that yesterday Bananiot and I couldn't believe my ears. How could he say that? It makes no sense! Let's hope that he meant something else, and not that he just gave the first excuse that popped into his head... :roll:
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Postby pantelis » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:20 pm

Insan,
Do you believe that Papadopoulos did not say, in writing, what he wanted before the Annan plan was "revised" for the fifth time?
The "UN officials" cared only to satisfy Turkey's "red lines", being sure that Papadopoulos' ideas were not in line with the GC public opinion. They assumed that the Vasiliou/Klerides duo had the right formula of the GCs desires, even though these two were voted out of the government by the majority of the GCs.
The mistake was that the UN/Turkey & CO put forward a "plan" that could not be accepted by the majorities, of both communities. They knew and had warned us all, before the referenda, that if any one of the two communities dared to vote "no", the plan would be "dead", Cyprus would be doomed with “tons of bricks’ all over us. The people chose the “bricks”, as they are in shortage, throughout the island
What this miserable UN SG is trying to do now, should have done it before the referenda. Instead of completing the procedure of the "negotiations" with a “win-win” plan, he and his company, resorted in the bombardment of all kinds of scare tactics and blackmailing threats. When foreign entities attack a confused and disappointed group of people with threats and blackmails, it is normal to see these people unite and resist. When GW and likes of him, said "vote yes or else" the reaction was an overwhelming "NO". Papadopoulos' reaction was an “after the fact” reaction. He expressed the feelings of the majority of his voters, in order to stay in power. Akel/Christofias followed suit, soon after Pap., in order to maintain their supporters. I have made many expensive long distance calls, soon after the plan was finalized, before Pap’s speech, and received a negative reaction from the vast majority of the people I had talked to. I had expressed that reaction to you, at the old Cyprus forum, if you remember.

Now Kofi wants our "objections to his plan" in writing, after “his” people had killed "his” plan, before it was voted on. This is another “delay and pass the blame” tactic of the supporters of the status quo, IMO. We don’t need more talks from the UN. WE need action.
If Annan and the UN are sincere in their cause, they should go back to their papers and come up with a new formula that is more acceptable to GCs (they only need 1/3 of the "NO" votes) and then get Turkey to "sign off" on it with a vote in the Turkish parliament (this vote was one of Turkey's conditions, which served as an insurance of having the "final say", regardless of the results of the referenda). Is this still the case? If your answer is yes, then the GCs are talking with the wrong people.
Let me also give you a "nightmare scenario", in the eyes of the GCs:
Both communities vote "yes". The ROC is dissolved. Turkey and generals do not follow through with the provisions of the plan. Who would represent Cyprus's interests against Turkey, in the international arena, and at what capacity, if the TC representatives in the “united Cyprus” chose to take the Turkish side? The army is still on the island, right? What would be the result of such a "chaos" situation? Everyone "wins", except the Cypriots. The Cyprus chapter is officially over, and everything is left to human rights courts. Is the "problem" over? Would we be better off, or worse, than we are right now?

PS. I am not trying to be a wise-ass. I believe in a united Cyprus where all people can live without fear, oppression and discrimination. I know that we can all live together in peace, under the same roof, with common interests. If we are two miles apart right now, a bad solution will push us 100 miles apart. I don’t want that to happen and I am sure you don’t either. By attacking and blaming individuals of both sides about what is wrong, does not bring us closer to each other. What is wrong, we need to fix it ourselves, before the individual leaders can adopt it.
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Postby pantelis » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:25 pm

Jimmy and Bananiot,
I did not see your posts, before I posted my own.
My post, above, is also addressed to you.
Thank you in advance, for your responses.
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Postby pantelis » Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:56 pm

bump!
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:02 am

pantelis wrote:Do you believe that Papadopoulos did not say, in writing, what he wanted before the Annan plan was "revised" for the fifth time?


Yes, actually... Annan (and De Soto) has been busting T-Pap's balls about prioritizing his demands, ever since the Nicosia negotiations. But our side, according to the SG's report, tried to filibuster its way out of the negotiations and bury the process in paperwork, by providing lengthy, bulky papers. The SG might well know what T-Pap's demands are, but our guy seems to be refusing to prioritize, obviously because he doesn't want to lose anything...

Unfortunately, this is all I have time to comment on, right now... Take a raincheck for tomorrow, please :angel:
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Postby boulio » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:43 am

Does he really want us to suggest more changes to plan to make it more favorable to us

so you admit that the annan plan 5 was lopsided in turkeys and the t/c favor,and then you yell and scream that g/c and t-pap dont want a solution,they do but a FAIRSOLUTION.
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