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[Kikapu]

its a lot of hard work thats why. In order to give this plan justice you need to comment on nearly every paragraph to clarify and question.

As an opening gambit i'd say its a pretty good plan however i still do not understand the need to differentiate so much.

Whats the purpose of 2 state constitutions. Why not have the federal constitution? Whats the point of having 2 flags for the states?

Will the 2 states be named tc state and gc state or north and south state?

Will there be freedom of movement for everyone to reside in any state they wish? If there is majority of gc's in both north and south state what happens?

If i can gte in some detail as well kikapu (sorry mate but its good for discussion) Whhich iD will children of mixed marriages assume?

I'll get back to the bigger issues of land and securirt on the next post howvere as a start i'm not sure i undertsnad how you will figure out the size of the 2 states.

otherwise good job kikapu, regardless of the results not many put in the effort for something concrete to discuss.

All good points DT and I'll answer them more in detail, when I have more time, but just on surface, the fact that we are talking about a Federation System (USA style), then each state can have their own constitution, flags, holidays, and so on. They just cannot override Federal Constitutional laws.

There are no restrictions on freedom of movement either. One can reside, where ever they want.

A child born to a mixed parent will simply be called Greek-Turkish Cypriot, or plain Cypriot. I assume parents are GC and TC. Just don't let VP hear about this arrangement or else he'll have a heart attack. I'm just kidding.

Property issues were mentioned in my proposals.

Security is made up by each State for their own state. They can also have National Guards (part time army). Very useful for forest fires and other emergencies. Paid by each state to maintain them, with help from the Federal Government.

[Kikapu]

Well, it seems like I have gotten my answers ( not gotten) from everyone, that the "suggested peace plan" I have proposed, does not have a "Resounding YES" from the TC's, or a "Resounding NO" from the GC's as the Annan Plan got. I can very well understand why the TC's did not back it up, because it was NOT the AP version, but I don't understand why the GC'c have not given a "Resounding YES".

I'm sure Zan will explain everything to us with his comments, as he has promised that he would.

[humanist]

Kikapu I think it is a great plan and perhaps you may like to submit it to the UN although I am not sure if they will accept it and also to Papadopoulos and Talat. I hera they are meeeting in the next few weeks. Perhaps it can a be astarting point.

I prefert hat the states are named north and south.

I believe there needs to be free movement. In both states and all children of mixed marriages should adopt the Cypriot identity.

Both states remain as they are. Becuase in a United Cyprus it wont matter anyway as we will have Cypriots not Greek/ Turkish Cyprots just Cypriots. HOpefully we will have more intermarraiges so in a generation it wont matter which language your parents speak

And if there is re incarnation I would love to come back as a Cypriot in 2050

[Kikapu]

Thanks Humanist for your kind words. This was just an exercise to see what response I would get. There are great minds on both sides to come up with a solution, if the will was there. It is obvious to me, that the old saying "money talks bullshit walks" is very true in the Cypriot politics. Never underestimate the power of the POWER and GREED. The two are very much intertwined. Look around the world and see where this does not go on. When one makes Political and Financial gains at the cost of others Human Rights and Liberties, the Human Tragedy and Misery that has been caused along the way to meet these objectives are violated by no other than by our own people.

There really is only one place for these people who commit these crimes...HELL.

[humanist]

Kikapu yu are welcome. I would make one sugestion why not create a poll to see what members are thinking and also. Please fboth leaders. Who knows may be they will think it is at least a beginning. May be I am bias but I don't see it as the beginning I would consider it as the plan that might finally after 33 years bring peace to out land. With something like this I would move back to Cyprus and hopefully if the jews have not bought out Rizokarpaso get my self some land and grow vegies.

Hey I hear some disappointment in your last post. Don't let the bastards get you down I think it is a great plan. I have come to also believe since I joint the forum that perhaps Cypriots do not really want a solution, that is why we do not have one already. Perhaps it is fear perhaps it is racism disguised as fear, it is up to each individual to ask themselves and look deep down within their hearts for the answer to the question.

I suspect that some are not even capable of seeing and identifying their deepest /core beliefs, hence 33 years of wasted time and life.

[Kikapu]

We have a lot of "CORRUPT SOULS" in Cyprus Humanist. "Corrupt Souls" are worse than Cancer. Cancer can kill it's patient, but "Corrupt Souls" can kill a Society and one's self respect. Without respect from ones fellow citizens, one is better off holding hands with the DEVIL:

I may send the two leaders a copy to see what some of us think regarding Cyprus, and they may even give it a thought about it, if their "Souls have not been Corrupted" already.

Sotos may ran a Poll if he wants. I personally never vote on any of the polls on the Forum.

[DT.]

don't let it get you down kikapu....no one is reacting to it cause no one has any important points to disagree with. If it was insultingly biased towards one of the sides you would have the other one in here filling 24 pages of swearing and cussing.

[Kikapu]

don't let it get you down kikapu....no one is reacting to it cause no one has any important points to disagree with. If it was insultingly biased towards one of the sides you would have the other one in here filling 24 pages of swearing and cussing.

That's for sure.

[zan]

Does not seem as if anyone is interested which ever way you look at it Kiks so maybe I can stir some interest with a comment on item one.

1. Remove all checkpoints. No longer needed to show any ID to go back and forth between the North and the South.

We already have conflict over weather or not Turkey should be there so you saying the removal of the checkpoints just like that soes not work. There are many many things I am sure the GCs will want removed as well as. I will start with the flags for a start and that bloody marvalously big one on the mountains. Can anyone thing else?????

[Kikapu]

Does not seem as if anyone is interested which ever way you look at it Kiks so maybe I can stir some interest with a comment on item one.

1. Remove all checkpoints. No longer needed to show any ID to go back and forth between the North and the South.

We already have conflict over weather or not Turkey should be there so you saying the removal of the checkpoints just like that soes not work. There are many many things I am sure the GCs will want removed as well as. I will start with the flags for a start and that bloody marvalously big one on the mountains. Can anyone thing else?????

Zan,

I was not even thinking of Turkey regarding the check points. We are only talking about the 5-6 crossings and not the elimination of the "Green Line". Besides, haven't you been telling us, that the TC's are the ones the RoC should be dealing with and not Turkey. So once an agreement has been reached between the TC's and The GC's, you can tell Turkey to mind their own business.

Turkish Troops can remain in their Military camps until they are all dispatched back to Turkey within the 10 years.

As for the "Graffiti Mountain", yes, that would be a very good gesture to bring those Flags down and plant Cypress Trees in their places instead.


Building confidence between the TC's and the GC's will need all the things I've mentioned above to happen right away, otherwise the RoC will also hold back on few of the things that the TC's want right away, ie. Direct Trade and Flights and the removal of all the embargoes.