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[miltiades]

Have you not noticed that there is a government in Iraq , a government elected by the people of Iraq. Are you by any chance so impressed with the performance of these savages that you secretly intend to lobby requesting that they dispatch a contingent out to Cyprus to join the blackwater mercenaries ?

You appear bemused at the existence of a legal government in Iraq, is it because you consider the only legitimate representatives of Iraq to be the suicide bombers ?

Can you also tell us of the immense benefits that WE the Cypriots shall receive once the Americans are" kicked out " of Iraq , a civil war ensues , Iran intervenes on the site of the now insurgents , hundreds of thousand are killed and YOU rejoice at the victory of the Iraqi ??? people ??
F A , if you had any brains you would support those that you may come to rely upon to save your skin and not count on the support or bloody mercenaries and suicide f..ng bobmers.
I forgot , like so many others , you too have been inflicted by the dreadful syndrome of "americanicodactylous "

[Eliko]

miltiades, it would appear that this 'legal government' is undergoing some difficulties in being accepted by the Iraqi people, I wonder if it could have anything to do with the 'illegal' bombardment of the American forces ?.

Perhaps you could enlighten us on the problem, you obviously know everything.

[T_C]

2 bombs?????

What about the THOUSANDS the UK has been dropping into Iraq??? Doing EXACTLY the same thing but on a MASSIVE SCALE!!! If you're upset over 2 bombs imagine how people in Iraq feel over the THOUSANDS that have ripped their country apart...

Miltiades mate, I don't think you'll ever get it but I have a feeling deep down you're slightly racist...

I missed your post TC, let me say how shocked I'm at reading your comments. I beleive you live in the UK , tell me how would you feel if a member of your family whilst travelling on a bus in London became the victim of such an abominable attack.

As for your comments on racism , here are some facts about me to help you decide whether I have racist tendencies , incidentally do not confuse racism with "culturism " and a culturist I certainly am.
I'm a G/C married to an English lady , my doctors over the last 40 years have been all Sri Lankans , as is my current one too. My accountant of the last 30 years or so is an Indian . My solicitor is from Mauritius and my optimization expert (looking after my company's web page ) is , thanks to mrfromng , a T/C . So as you can see most of my close "associates" are neither Greek Cypriots or English. It most certainly does not make me a racist. What I'm and have made this clear on numerous occasions is culture conscious , it is a new description that has as yet to reach the Oxford dictionary , but culturist is what I most certainly am. Talking of cultures let me say that the Cyprus culture (G/C and T/C ) is for me the numero uno on my list !!!, followed closely by the English , Scottish , Irish and Welsh , and of course the Western world culture which I consider to be the most significant in the entire world.

Miltiades I get what youre trying to say and I only thought you was racist because I seriously cant understand how you cant see what USA has done....

Theres 2 sides to every story and the US media has done everything it can to show these people as savages (as you put it). This is not the case. Their country has been raped repeatedly by the US and theyre fighting back...its not right but what are they supposed to do?

Its not like theyre voice is ever heard...all we hear is how backwards they are...we NEVER hear the truth from the media in the west.

[miltiades]

TC Wrote:

"""Theres 2 sides to every story and the US media has done everything it can to show these people as savages (as you put it). This is not the case. Their country has been raped repeatedly by the US and theyre fighting back...its not right but what are they supposed to do?

Its not like theyre voice is ever heard...all we hear is how backwards they are...we NEVER hear the truth from the media in the west. ""

Please , Please do tell me , WHO IS FIGHTING BACK ?? Those that committed the 7/7 attacks , the 6 doctors recently or the Iraqi people. Please I beg you tell me WHO IS FIGHTING BACK. Certainly not the Iraqis that are daily the victims of suicide attacks.
Your answer please.

[T_C]

The people whos countries and people are being raped by the US miltiades!!!!

Miltiades you know what happened in Cyprus, you know the amount of propaganda that was used and how IT WORKED...you know what it feels like for your country to be messed about with...can you not understand AT ALL why these people are angry with the US? Doesn't it tell you something that the majority of the world HATES the US?

The US even FUNDED BIN LADEN for goodness sake!!!!!!

[miltiades]

The people whos countries and people are being raped by the US miltiades!!!!

Miltiades you know what happened in Cyprus, you know the amount of propaganda that was used and how IT WORKED...you know what it feels like for your country to be messed about with...can you not understand AT ALL why these people are angry with the US? Doesn't it tell you something that the majority of the world HATES the US?

The US even FUNDED BIN LADEN for goodness sake!!!!!!

Firstly let me answer the Cyprus question. Fanatics were responsible for that happened to Cyprus.
The fanatics in Iraq are responsible for the continuing killings. The fanatics are killing the IRAQI people. Now who is fighting back. The Indian Doctor arrested in the UK , the Saudi Arabian Doctor , the Jordanian or the Iraqi Sunni Doctor.
What is fighting back is an ideology immersed in hatred for everything that is Western , an ideology that has been hijacked and formulated to suit the thinking of fanatics , people who still believe that the West will be driven back to what they interpret as morality .
In reality the overwhelming majority of Iraqis want nothing more than peace and stability and the chance to see their children and families free from fear and intimidation. Those doing the killing are not Iraqis , the are Jihadis who will go anywhere to fight their foe.

[miltiades]

TC , Just to help you see who is fighting back please read the following carefully.

By Waleed Ibrahim Reuters - Sunday, July 8 02:01 pmBAGHDAD (Reuters) - A suicide truck bomber killed 23 new Iraqi army recruits when he rammed into their vehicle south of Baghdad on Sunday, police said, a day after a huge truck bomb killed 150 people in the north of the country.


Police and army officials said the bomber drove into a truck carrying the Sunni Arab recruits to Baghdad just after they had joined the army in western Anbar province. They said 27 recruits were wounded in the attack near the town of Haswa.

Sunni Arab tribal leaders in Anbar have rounded up thousands of men to join local security forces to fight Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, partly in anger over the militant group's indiscriminate killing of civilians and harsh interpretation of Islam.

Two car bombs killed eight people in Baghdad, police added.

In the northern Shi'ite town of Tuz Khurmato, police and residents used heavy machines and shovels to search for more bodies under the rubble of nearly 100 shops and homes in the wake of Saturday's massive truck bomb blast.

Across the town, relatives mourned and buried their dead.

"I can't comprehend what has happened. My entire family was killed in one moment," said Abbas Kadhim, who told Reuters the blast levelled his house, killing his wife, his two sons aged 6 and 8, his parents and also a brother.

"There is no value left in my life ... I have asked God why I didn't just die with them so I wouldn't have to go through this torture."

The death toll of 150 made it the second deadliest insurgent bombing in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. In March, a truck bomb attack also blamed on al Qaeda killed 152 people in the northern town of Tal Afar.

The surge in bombings comes despite a major U.S. and Iraqi military offensive that has focused largely on Baghdad and the beltways around the capital, where U.S. commanders believe a lot of car bombs are put together.

The offensive has driven many militants out of Baghdad to areas where the troop presence is not as heavy.

U.S. officials blame most big car bombings on al Qaeda, which they say is trying to trigger civil war between Iraq's majority Shi'ites and minority Sunni Arabs.

TURNING AGAINST AL QAEDA

The suicide truck bomber struck the new Iraqi soldiers only hours after they had signed up in the town of Falluja, once a hotbed of the Sunni Arab insurgency.

Like other towns in Anbar, violence has dropped in Falluja since tribal elders last year turned against al Qaeda, which once had a tight grip on the mainly Sunni Arab province.

That has forced many al Qaeda militants out of Anbar, but others have fought back, sparking a bloody power struggle in the vast desert province.

Two police officers in the Shi'ite town of Tuz Khurmato confirmed 150 people had been killed in Saturday's explosion that Iraqi officials blamed on al Qaeda. The officers said 20 people were still missing and 250 were wounded.

Many of the victims were women and children who were shopping. The parked truck was packed with explosives but covered with hay so it would not arouse suspicion, officials said.

Police said heavy machinery had been brought in from larger towns to dig through the rubble of the market in Tuz Khurmato, 185 km (110 miles) north of Baghdad.

Security forces had cordoned off the area.

"I just visited the scene. It looks like an earthquake happened there," Shalal Abid al-Ahmed, a member of the Salahuddin provincial council, told Reuters.

One policeman added: "People from the whole town of Tuz Khurmato are helping, some have brought along small shovels."

(Additional reporting by Mustafa Mahmood in Tuz Khurmato, Alister Bull and Mussab Al-Khairalla in Baghdad)

Please pay attention particular attention to this:: """""""Sunni Arab tribal leaders in Anbar have rounded up thousands of men to join local security forces to fight Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, partly in anger over the militant group's indiscriminate killing of civilians and harsh interpretation of Islam."""""""

I think I posted in my last post similar sentiments.
Can you now see who is doing the killing.

[miltiades]

Here again , further evidence that those fighting "back " are nothing more than Jihadis Islamic fanatics , Osamas' "army " hell bent on destroying the civilized world including their own people.

BANGALORE, India (Reuters) - Indian police said on Sunday they had seized CDs containing material about the Islamist conflicts in Chechnya and Iraq from the home of two Indian suspects in the car bomb plot in Britain.

A senior police official said officers had found the CDs in the family home of Kafeel Ahmed, 27, and his brother Sabeel, 26, both arrested by British police in relation to the plot.

"Some CDs are about the Islamic struggle in Chechnya and Iraq. We are examining the CDs for Jihadi content," said a police officer, closely associated with the investigations into the two men. The officer did not want his name made public.

"Emails sent by the brothers are also being looked into for any terror linkage," said the official. "Their complicity in the terror link has not been established yet."

A computer that police say was used by Kafeel and Sabeel was also seized by investigating officers from their home in a middle-class residential area of Bangalore, police said.

Police have been questioning family members of the two men in the information technology hub, including their parents, both of whom are doctors.

Kafeel, who studied engineering in India, suffered critical burns in the attack on Glasgow airport in Scotland where witnesses said he set both himself and the crashed jeep on fire.

Sabeel, a doctor, was arrested in Liverpool eight days ago.

A third Indian suspect, another doctor from Bangalore, was arrested in Australia and remains in detention.

A total of eight people have been arrested in the plot, either from the Middle East or India. Seven were arrested in Britain and one in Australia.

Indian police said authorities in Bangalore were also investigating whether the U.K. car bombing plot was conceived or planned in the southern Indian city.

"All angles are being looked into. Investigations are continuing," Police Commissioner Achuta Rao said, adding British police had not sought information from the Bangalore police.

The lawyer for Kafeel and Sabeel's parents described the elderly couple's questioning by Indian police as "routine".

British intelligence services are working with international counterparts to establish the extent of the suspected involvement by Osama bin Laden's network or its Iraqi arm in the failed car bombings.

[cypezokyli]

from the New York Times editorial

The Road Home

It is time for the United States to leave Iraq, without any more delay than the Pentagon needs to organize an orderly exit.

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Like many Americans, we have put off that conclusion, waiting for a sign that President Bush was seriously trying to dig the United States out of the disaster he created by invading Iraq without sufficient cause, in the face of global opposition, and without a plan to stabilize the country afterward.

At first, we believed that after destroying Iraq’s government, army, police and economic structures, the United States was obliged to try to accomplish some of the goals Mr. Bush claimed to be pursuing, chiefly building a stable, unified Iraq. When it became clear that the president had neither the vision nor the means to do that, we argued against setting a withdrawal date while there was still some chance to mitigate the chaos that would most likely follow.

While Mr. Bush scorns deadlines, he kept promising breakthroughs — after elections, after a constitution, after sending in thousands more troops. But those milestones came and went without any progress toward a stable, democratic Iraq or a path for withdrawal. It is frighteningly clear that Mr. Bush’s plan is to stay the course as long as he is president and dump the mess on his successor. Whatever his cause was, it is lost.

The political leaders Washington has backed are incapable of putting national interests ahead of sectarian score settling. The security forces Washington has trained behave more like partisan militias. Additional military forces poured into the Baghdad region have failed to change anything.

Continuing to sacrifice the lives and limbs of American soldiers is wrong. The war is sapping the strength of the nation’s alliances and its military forces. It is a dangerous diversion from the life-and-death struggle against terrorists. It is an increasing burden on American taxpayers, and it is a betrayal of a world that needs the wise application of American power and principles.



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Despite President Bush’s repeated claims, Al Qaeda had no significant foothold in Iraq before the invasion, which gave it new base camps, new recruits and new prestige

full article here
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/opini ... ref=slogin

[miltiades]

I entirely agree , let them wipe each other out and lets save British and American lives.Unfortunately the West does not wish to see the region becoming a battlefield as it will certainly do so , with Kurds , Turks , Iranians , Syrians and Iraqis of course fighting their corner.