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Postby karma » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:24 pm

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Postby Kifeas » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:26 pm

raymanuva wrote:The name "Turk" first appeared in history in the 6th century CE in Central Asia.[31][32] The Göktürks chose Ötüken, as a base and established khanates. The new state called the Göktürk Empire was founded at the foot of the Altai Mountains. Later they spread out and became an empire.

Throughout history, the Turks have established numerous states in various geographical regions on the continents of Asia, Europe and Africa. Turks brought their culture to the places to which they had migrated or invaded and were also affected by the existing cultures of these regions.

Anatolia, the landmass that is now Turkey, had been a cradle to a wide variety of civilizations and kingdoms in antiquity. Major civilizations that have settled in or invaded Anatolia include the Amazons, Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Celts, Cimmerians, Etruscans, Galatians, Goths,Hattians, Hittites, Ionians, Greeks, Lydians, Mongols, Pelasgians, Persians, Phrygians, Romans, Scythians, Trojans, Urartians, Byzantines, Seljuk Turks and Ottoman Turks

The Oğuz were the main Turkic people who moved into Anatolia after 1072 CE. Small bands of Turks began their migration following the victory of the Seljuks, led by Alp Arslan, against the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert and this paved the way for Turkish dominance in Anatolia. This also marked the beginning of the decline of the Byzantine empire. In the centuries after Manzikert, the relatively small number of Turkic immigrants began to assimilate local populations as their numbers grew. Anatolia was an ethnic mosaic, a region with a wide variety of peoples, but dominated by the Anatolians and other prominent regional groups.

Over time, as word spread regarding the victory of the Turks in Anatolia, more Turkic ghazis arrived from the Caucasus, Persia and Central Asia. These groups in turn merged with the local inhabitants as a slow process of conversion to Islam took place, thanks in large measure to the efforts of the sufis, that helped to bolster the Turkish-speaking population. Many Sufi orders sprang up and quickly became very popular by means of the numerous Sufi lodges throughout the region. Many people were attracted to this form of Islam (which incorporated local customs and rites) and as a result many people converted to the faith. Adoption of the Turkish language, culture and customs often followed conversion to Islam.

It is to be noted that the Ottoman Empire was erected by the Oghuz Turk ethicity in the beginning based at Söğüt, west region of Turkey. But there were many non-Turkic speaking Muslims in the Ottoman Empire particularly in areas outside the core Anatolian and southern Balkan regions. Following the Balkan Wars and the Russian conquest of the Caucasus and annexation of Crimea, many Turkic speaking Muslims in the North Caucasus, Balkans and Crimea emigrated to the territory of present day Turkey. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.

By the late 19th century, Turks were relatively evenly spread throughout Europe and the Balkans. But territorial losses in the Balkans sparked a large scale exodus from that region. This was finalized by a population exchange between Greece and Turkey in the aftermath of World War One involving the transfer of a substantial number of ethnic Greeks in Turkey to Greece and vice versa, ethnic Turks in Greece to Turkey.

These migrations and later populations movements would continue to impact the modern Turkish people as the rise of the Ottoman Empire made Turkey into a world power and a focal point for a wide variety of peoples.

Source: Wikipedia


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, all the above names of people that you just mentioned were actually ancestors of modern Turks bearing slightly different names in the ancient times. The reality is that Turks have always been the inhabitants of Anatolia, since pre-historic times. For example, Trojans derives from Trokians, which itself derives from Trukians, which derives from Turkians, which derives from Turks! The Trojan War had in fact taken place between the Greeks and the Turks, but Homer deliberately failed to mention it

Another example, Etruscans derives from Eturscans, which derives from Eturcans, which derives from Turcans, which derives from Turks!
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Postby Chimera » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:33 pm

Kifeas,

if Homer left out the bit about Turks being outwitted by the Greek Trojan Horse, how did you find out about it?

Reductionism may help :?: :?:
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Postby karma » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:33 pm

Kifeas wrote:
raymanuva wrote:The name "Turk" first appeared in history in the 6th century CE in Central Asia.[31][32] The Göktürks chose Ötüken, as a base and established khanates. The new state called the Göktürk Empire was founded at the foot of the Altai Mountains. Later they spread out and became an empire.

Throughout history, the Turks have established numerous states in various geographical regions on the continents of Asia, Europe and Africa. Turks brought their culture to the places to which they had migrated or invaded and were also affected by the existing cultures of these regions.

Anatolia, the landmass that is now Turkey, had been a cradle to a wide variety of civilizations and kingdoms in antiquity. Major civilizations that have settled in or invaded Anatolia include the Amazons, Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Celts, Cimmerians, Etruscans, Galatians, Goths,Hattians, Hittites, Ionians, Greeks, Lydians, Mongols, Pelasgians, Persians, Phrygians, Romans, Scythians, Trojans, Urartians, Byzantines, Seljuk Turks and Ottoman Turks

The Oğuz were the main Turkic people who moved into Anatolia after 1072 CE. Small bands of Turks began their migration following the victory of the Seljuks, led by Alp Arslan, against the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert and this paved the way for Turkish dominance in Anatolia. This also marked the beginning of the decline of the Byzantine empire. In the centuries after Manzikert, the relatively small number of Turkic immigrants began to assimilate local populations as their numbers grew. Anatolia was an ethnic mosaic, a region with a wide variety of peoples, but dominated by the Anatolians and other prominent regional groups.

Over time, as word spread regarding the victory of the Turks in Anatolia, more Turkic ghazis arrived from the Caucasus, Persia and Central Asia. These groups in turn merged with the local inhabitants as a slow process of conversion to Islam took place, thanks in large measure to the efforts of the sufis, that helped to bolster the Turkish-speaking population. Many Sufi orders sprang up and quickly became very popular by means of the numerous Sufi lodges throughout the region. Many people were attracted to this form of Islam (which incorporated local customs and rites) and as a result many people converted to the faith. Adoption of the Turkish language, culture and customs often followed conversion to Islam.

It is to be noted that the Ottoman Empire was erected by the Oghuz Turk ethicity in the beginning based at Söğüt, west region of Turkey. But there were many non-Turkic speaking Muslims in the Ottoman Empire particularly in areas outside the core Anatolian and southern Balkan regions. Following the Balkan Wars and the Russian conquest of the Caucasus and annexation of Crimea, many Turkic speaking Muslims in the North Caucasus, Balkans and Crimea emigrated to the territory of present day Turkey. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.

By the late 19th century, Turks were relatively evenly spread throughout Europe and the Balkans. But territorial losses in the Balkans sparked a large scale exodus from that region. This was finalized by a population exchange between Greece and Turkey in the aftermath of World War One involving the transfer of a substantial number of ethnic Greeks in Turkey to Greece and vice versa, ethnic Turks in Greece to Turkey.

These migrations and later populations movements would continue to impact the modern Turkish people as the rise of the Ottoman Empire made Turkey into a world power and a focal point for a wide variety of peoples.

Source: Wikipedia


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, all the above names of people that you just mentioned were actually ancestors of modern Turks bearing slightly different names in the ancient times. The reality is that Turks have always been the inhabitants of Anatolia, since pre-historic times. For example, Trojans derives from Trokians, which itself derives from Trukians, which derives from Turkians, which derives from Turks! The Trojan War had in fact taken place between the Greeks and the Turks, but Homer deliberately failed to mention it

Another example, Etruscans derives from Eturscans, which derives from Eturcans, which derives from Turcans, which derives from Turks!


U forgot the Turkcs & Caicos islands in Caribbean sea..it is Turkish too :twisted:
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:54 pm

raymanuva wrote: After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the above is a common conspiratory propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness! All the people that have ever existed in Anatolia (and not only) are in reality Turkic tribes that have emigrated in the whole of the world, when Bozkurt (the wolf) had liberated them from the cave in which they were chained. The people of Turkey are not a mixed race from all those ethnic groups, but a pure blooded one that had finally come under the roof of the paternalist modern Turkish state, after thousands of years of wondering and voyeurisms. For example, the Greeks are also a Turkic tribe and their name comes from Treeks, which comes from Tureeks, which comes from Turkees, which comes from Turks!

Source: kankayia archives.
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Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:00 am

Kifeas wrote:
raymanuva wrote: After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the above is a common conspiratory propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness! All the people that have ever existed in Anatolia (and not only) are in reality Turkic tribes that have emigrated in the whole of the world, when Bozkurt (the wolf) had liberated them from the cave in which they were chained. The people of Turkey are not a mixed race from all those ethnic groups, but a pure blooded one that had finally come under the roof of the paternalist modern Turkish state, after thousands of years of wondering and voyeurisms. For example, the Greeks are also a Turkic tribe and their name comes from Treeks, which comes from Tureeks, which comes from Turkees, which comes from Turks!

Source: kankayia archives.


What a prat :roll:
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:13 am

zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
raymanuva wrote: After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the above is a common conspiratory propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness! All the people that have ever existed in Anatolia (and not only) are in reality Turkic tribes that have emigrated in the whole of the world, when Bozkurt (the wolf) had liberated them from the cave in which they were chained. The people of Turkey are not a mixed race from all those ethnic groups, but a pure blooded one that had finally come under the roof of the paternalist modern Turkish state, after thousands of years of wondering and voyeurisms. For example, the Greeks are also a Turkic tribe and their name comes from Treeks, which comes from Tureeks, which comes from Turkees, which comes from Turks!

Source: kankayia archives.


What a prat :roll:


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the modern Turkish flag is not derivative of the late Ottoman flags that used to be red with 3 white crescents; neither the crescent represents the Moslem religious symbol. According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, this is a common conspiracy propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness and distract the Turkish people away from secularism and the principles of Ataturk. According to the above, the star and the crescent in the red Turkish flag came up when they were mirrored in Mustafa Kemal’s eye, when he looked into a pool of Turkish blood during a night time battle, in which (pool of blood) the moon and the stars were reflected inside.

Source: Zan’s Archives.
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Postby zan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:17 am

Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
raymanuva wrote: After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the above is a common conspiratory propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness! All the people that have ever existed in Anatolia (and not only) are in reality Turkic tribes that have emigrated in the whole of the world, when Bozkurt (the wolf) had liberated them from the cave in which they were chained. The people of Turkey are not a mixed race from all those ethnic groups, but a pure blooded one that had finally come under the roof of the paternalist modern Turkish state, after thousands of years of wondering and voyeurisms. For example, the Greeks are also a Turkic tribe and their name comes from Treeks, which comes from Tureeks, which comes from Turkees, which comes from Turks!

Source: kankayia archives.


What a prat :roll:


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, the modern Turkish flag is not derivative of the late Ottoman flags that used to be red with 3 white crescents; neither the crescent represents the Moslem religious symbol. According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, this is a common conspiracy propaganda aiming to insult Turkishness and distract the Turkish people away from secularism and the principles of Ataturk. According to the above, the star and the crescent in the red Turkish flag came up when they were mirrored in Mustafa Kemal’s eye, when he looked into a pool of Turkish blood during a night time battle, in which (pool of blood) the moon and the stars were reflected inside.

Source: Zan’s Archives.


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Postby Chimera » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:18 am

So, is that :

Creation by Intelligent Design, or Evolution? :P
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Re: Where on Earth were Turks Spawned?

Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:05 pm

Chimera wrote:Hello I am new to this forum.

Can someone enlighten me on where Turks originated from, back in the days before they invaded Asia Minor, Greece, Cyprus, Armenia etc etc etc.

I only ask because I know nothing. :lol:



You tell PORKIES,what! The answer is on your desk or lap, as the case may be. Lies and more lies. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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