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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:12 pm

iceman wrote:we have a new joker onboard.. :lol: :lol: :lol:



Not that new, surely :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:14 pm

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raymanuva wrote:The name "Turk" first appeared in history in the 6th century CE in Central Asia.[31][32] The Göktürks chose Ötüken, as a base and established khanates. The new state called the Göktürk Empire was founded at the foot of the Altai Mountains. Later they spread out and became an empire.

Throughout history, the Turks have established numerous states in various geographical regions on the continents of Asia, Europe and Africa. Turks brought their culture to the places to which they had migrated or invaded and were also affected by the existing cultures of these regions.

Anatolia, the landmass that is now Turkey, had been a cradle to a wide variety of civilizations and kingdoms in antiquity. Major civilizations that have settled in or invaded Anatolia include the Amazons, Arabs, Armenians, Assyrians, Celts, Cimmerians, Etruscans, Galatians, Goths,Hattians, Hittites, Ionians, Greeks, Lydians, Mongols, Pelasgians, Persians, Phrygians, Romans, Scythians, Trojans, Urartians, Byzantines, Seljuk Turks and Ottoman Turks

The Oğuz were the main Turkic people who moved into Anatolia after 1072 CE. Small bands of Turks began their migration following the victory of the Seljuks, led by Alp Arslan, against the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert and this paved the way for Turkish dominance in Anatolia. This also marked the beginning of the decline of the Byzantine empire. In the centuries after Manzikert, the relatively small number of Turkic immigrants began to assimilate local populations as their numbers grew. Anatolia was an ethnic mosaic, a region with a wide variety of peoples, but dominated by the Anatolians and other prominent regional groups.

Over time, as word spread regarding the victory of the Turks in Anatolia, more Turkic ghazis arrived from the Caucasus, Persia and Central Asia. These groups in turn merged with the local inhabitants as a slow process of conversion to Islam took place, thanks in large measure to the efforts of the sufis, that helped to bolster the Turkish-speaking population. Many Sufi orders sprang up and quickly became very popular by means of the numerous Sufi lodges throughout the region. Many people were attracted to this form of Islam (which incorporated local customs and rites) and as a result many people converted to the faith. Adoption of the Turkish language, culture and customs often followed conversion to Islam.

It is to be noted that the Ottoman Empire was erected by the Oghuz Turk ethicity in the beginning based at Söğüt, west region of Turkey. But there were many non-Turkic speaking Muslims in the Ottoman Empire particularly in areas outside the core Anatolian and southern Balkan regions. Following the Balkan Wars and the Russian conquest of the Caucasus and annexation of Crimea, many Turkic speaking Muslims in the North Caucasus, Balkans and Crimea emigrated to the territory of present day Turkey. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire and formation of the Republic of Turkey, these various cultures and languages melded into one supra identity and culture. Therefore modern Turks constitute a melting pot of all peoples in the Ottoman Empire.

By the late 19th century, Turks were relatively evenly spread throughout Europe and the Balkans. But territorial losses in the Balkans sparked a large scale exodus from that region. This was finalized by a population exchange between Greece and Turkey in the aftermath of World War One involving the transfer of a substantial number of ethnic Greeks in Turkey to Greece and vice versa, ethnic Turks in Greece to Turkey.

These migrations and later populations movements would continue to impact the modern Turkish people as the rise of the Ottoman Empire made Turkey into a world power and a focal point for a wide variety of peoples.

Source: Wikipedia


According to the Kemalist Scientific Historiavisionism, all the above names of people that you just mentioned were actually ancestors of modern Turks bearing slightly different names in the ancient times. The reality is that Turks have always been the inhabitants of Anatolia, since pre-historic times. For example, Trojans derives from Trokians, which itself derives from Trukians, which derives from Turkians, which derives from Turks! The Trojan War had in fact taken place between the Greeks and the Turks, but Homer deliberately failed to mention it

Another example, Etruscans derives from Eturscans, which derives from Eturcans, which derives from Turcans, which derives from Turks!



Someone please tickle, I want to laugh. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:23 pm

Never mind the Turks, what about the TCs. GR can verify that some of my genes come from Khirokhitia. If he cant, then I too am a Turk.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:05 pm

Kemalist Scientiific Historiavisionism? Is this a joke or is there such a thing? It brings to mind eugenics and all that garbage science of the 1930s.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:24 pm

Nikitas wrote:Kemalist Scientiific Historiavisionism? Is this a joke or is there such a thing? It brings to mind eugenics and all that garbage science of the 1930s.


Yes, it does exist but, what is it that you do not undertand from the above?

Kemalist?

Scientific?

Histori(cal) (re)visionism?

Haven’t you heard before about Marxist-Leninist "scientific socialism," or ...scientology for this matter?

They are all "para-scientific" doctrine "innovations!"
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:22 am

Kifeas,

I had figured the Turks as fairly pragmatic people who would not go for weird stuff like Historevisionism. I though someone was making a joke when they wrote it. Being eternally grateful to the founder of a nation is understandable, trying to interpret reality according to his doctrine, now that IS deification!
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Postby zan » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:48 am

How about a link to this so we can all read it Kifeas. :roll:
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Postby halil » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:27 am

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Postby OB1 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:57 am

as a matter of fact the Turks were the first inhabitants of the starship enterprise. Captain James Tiberius Kirk was Turk and so the rest of the crew except Mr. Spok who i think he was Mongolian were he past hes experience to the rest of the crew. Later a geezer named Gene Roddenberry found these ancient scripts and decided to make a TV series/films claiming all the glory.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:45 pm

zan wrote:How about a link to this so we can all read it Kifeas. :roll:


This is a link to what I call "Kemalist Scientiific Historiavisionism" (historical revisionism!)

http://www.rrdenktas.com/

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