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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:08 pm

We have already made those changes in our education system, whereby the child is not taught anything negative about Greek Cypriots but encouraged to investigate for themselves thus reading from all sources of information and drawing their own conclusion of events.

From what I have read in the press and recent reports from USA this is not the same in the south, the children are still taught negative things about Turkish Cypriots and Turks.

Dont you think its time to change???

I have raised my children in this fashion not to hate Greek Cypriots, they knew GCs from a young age.

All they quesiton is if they are genuine???or do they have ulterior motives, why is that do you feel???
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Postby antonis » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:08 pm

Why would the press be 'of course' critical? Does any of the journalists know for a fact that Hannay has no intention other than the destruction of the RoC?

As far as I remember there was at least one instance when he made statements that caused frustration. For example in January 1999, he claims in his book that "a passing answer I gave the press about the possible relevance of the Swiss constitution to arrangements for a reunited Cyprus was blown up out of all proportion and led to Clerides refusing to see me...", which is not very convincing to me. I remember the fuss, but he shouldn't have made any "passing" answers that could raise any sort of questions. Ever since the press was sceptical.
And what's this distinction between the persons and the organization? It's just technicalities, to me.

Indeed you are right.
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Postby antonis » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:15 pm

Yep, this what the USA have to say about the northern part

"School authorities continued to use textbooks at the primary and secondary levels that included inflammatory language derogatory of Greek Cypriots. Beginning in March, the "Ministry of Education" began revising the history syllabus and textbooks used in schools after concluding that the existing text encouraged students to view Greek Cypriots as enemies and the EU as a "rotten apple." "

And this what they say about the RoC

"The Government continued to use textbooks, particularly on history, at the primary and secondary school level that included inflammatory language derogatory of Turkish Cypriots and Turks. The Government has complained about language used in Turkish Cypriot textbooks that is derogatory of Greek Cypriots. "
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Postby erolz » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:24 pm

antonis wrote:
The same question goes back to you. How much does your side tell you about what happened in Cyprus, the Turkish invasion, the attrocities that occured during that time etc?.


The TC side has a terrible record as far as presenting a 'balanced' picture or history - as does the GC side. The truth is murderd by both sides with equal relish and enthusiasm and regularity imho.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:22 pm

Insan wrote: Swearing, insulting, trying to degrade some individuals and institutions has nothing to do with the truths and democrasy. None of them was sued because of what they say, they were sued because of the baseless allegations they made and the swearing, insulting, degrading style of wordings.


Oh really? So now you became the advocate of the "security forces" now? You want to examine the charges one by one? Lets start from this one:



WHAT WAS THE DOGANCI PROTEST
Most of the articles written by journalists who will
stand trial in military courts are about a protest at
Doganci (Elye) that was held on March 25th, 2003.
The opposition parties and organizations tried to hold
a
symbolic referandum supporting the so-called "Annan
plan" to bring a
solution to the Cyprus problem. The police had raided
the protest with
batons along with an army contingent took the ballot
box, and arrested the
union members who had organized the event. Prior to
the event, a large
police contingent had threatened the villagers.
It is expected that more cases will be brought against
opposition writers in
the coming days as part of the regime's campaign
against the strengthening
opposition movement.

Insan wrote: like reading Levent's articles even most of them contain insulting, degrading, irritating, alleged acusations with derogatory remarks about every person and everything they oppose.


And how come when I read Seners articles I spot nothing of that sort? He doesn’t know GreeK. All his articles are exact translations.

Insan wrote: Now tell me, if I've written these things on a GC daily in the South, how many court cases there would be about me, how many times they would attempt to assasinate me? How many bombs will be dropped top of my house?


Not even one! You have totally wrong perceptions about the freedom of press in RoC.

None? Ok. then you are angels all others are evils.
During my visit to South I evade talking about those things in public.


We are not angels but the freedom of press is respected. One can prosecute you only for plagiarism and assault.

Brother wrote: mikkie, if that is the case then why did none of your so called free press let tony anagonistos(spelt wrong no doubt) documentary be seen on television and now the man and his family live in fear and are called traitors, is this the freedom of speech you talk about.


Are you sure they live in fear? The man made a film. Is any media oblidged to present his film? Is BBC oblidged to present the film made by XYZ showing the British as Barbarians during the 1950 liberation struggle of the GCs without at least referring to the other side of the coin? The fact that there is freedom of speech can be seen from the fact the he was not deprived his right to present it publicly to anyone he likes.And that is what he did. Did anyone brought him to court?

Alexandros wrote: He he, clever analysis, MicAtCyp, but actually the poll was conducted face to face ...


Woops! I thought was by telephone like the one you did among the GCs? How come you did it this way, I mean wasn’t it too costly?
Anyway Alex can you tell us how much this one costed? (The GC one costed 2500 Cy pounds right?) Send me a PM if you don't want to say it publicly.
Thanks for the link I downloaded already re. Sorry for not been able to contribute I guess I will have to set my priorities right real soon.
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:24 pm

antonis wrote:Yep, this what the USA have to say about the northern part

"School authorities continued to use textbooks at the primary and secondary levels that included inflammatory language derogatory of Greek Cypriots. Beginning in March, the "Ministry of Education" began revising the history syllabus and textbooks used in schools after concluding that the existing text encouraged students to view Greek Cypriots as enemies and the EU as a "rotten apple." "

And this what they say about the RoC

"The Government continued to use textbooks, particularly on history, at the primary and secondary school level that included inflammatory language derogatory of Turkish Cypriots and Turks. The Government has complained about language used in Turkish Cypriot textbooks that is derogatory of Greek Cypriots. "



EU "rotten apple"? In TC text books?

"The Government and the Turkish Cypriot authorities continued to use textbooks at the primary and secondary school level that included inflammatory language derogatory of the other community. This was a particularly serious concern with history textbooks, and authorities in both communities have complained about the textbooks in the other community. " 2003, released February 2004

http://www.nationbynation.com/Cyprus/Human.html

Antonis, in the original report there's nothing like what you quoted above. Where did you get it? Can you give me the link please?
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:06 pm

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Postby antonis » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:36 pm

Antonis, in the original report there's nothing like what you quoted above. Where did you get it? Can you give me the link please?


Sure, the report you have is last year's. Here's the brand new 2004 report...

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41676.htm
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:40 pm

Thanks for the link.
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:52 pm

antonis wrote:
Antonis, in the original report there's nothing like what you quoted above. Where did you get it? Can you give me the link please?


Sure, the report you have is last year's. Here's the brand new 2004 report...

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41676.htm



Very interesting!

Do the Americans write a human rights report for themselves as well?

:D :lol: :D
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