Militiades,
I was a bit confused as to what you were saying in your post - were you saying that those imprisoned in Guantanamo were "the sworn enemies of the civilized world" ?
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:27 pm
miltiades
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CopperLine wrote:
Militiades,
I was a bit confused as to what you were saying in your post - were you saying that those imprisoned in Guantanamo were "the sworn enemies of the civilized world" ?
Why confused ??
What I clearly said was that those imprisoned in Guantanamo are the sworn enemies of civilization .They are decibels of Bin Laden and all that he and his henchmen stand for. Sanctity of life is a virtue held at high esteem by all civilized people and so it should be , this after all is what separates men from beasts.
Just in case you have not read any of my posts let me enlighten you on where I stand.
Life is precious , unique since we only have one . Those prepared to take life , innocent life and die themselves too in doing so are nothing more than pure savages. Examples are seen daily in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I detest all those who commit premeditated murders against innocent civilians , their actions are obscene , uncivilized and barbaric.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:28 pm
Eliko
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Filitsa wrote:
Okay, I was being provocative. Truth is President Ahmadinejad said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you do in the United States." What do you think he meant by this?
Filitsa, is it possible that the words of the president have been mis-interpreted ?, I would read his comment as 'A Comparison' rather than an actual statement of fact.
Perhaps he was pointing out that the levels of tolerance towards such issues as homosexuality are less than in Western nations.
Certainly there are vast differences in the way crime and (what the Iranians perceive to be) decent standards of moral conduct, between Iran and the Western nations are viewed.
Why do we of the West, constantly bombard other nations with our opinions on how they should conduct themselves?, surely we are very poor examples for those nations to follow, we cannot (seemingly) control our own standards, it is hardly fair to impose our will on others.
President Ahmedinejad is being presented to us (through the media) as some kind of village idiot, he is a leader of a mighty nation, what he does in his own country is his business, if he wishes to make comparisons, he is as entitled to do so as we are.
OR, should we just attack him now, in the hope that such an act will encourage other nations to join forces against him and save us from the gigantic 'TRAP' we have snared ourselves in by attacking Iraq?.
Seems to me that THAT may be the only option since the Southern part of Iraq (the escape route) is now seriously dominated by the Mahdi Army.
In my humble opinion.
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:49 pm
CopperLine
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Militiades,
Thanks for clarifying. It is as I feared.
You might want to ask yourself a few questions before you rush to condemn all those (illegally) imprisoned in Guantanamo.
How do you know that they have killed ?
How do you know that they were 'followers of bin Laden' ?
How do you know that they are the 'sworn enemies of civilisation' ?
How do you know what, if any, charges have been laid against them ?
How do you know that they are guilty of any charges laid against them ?
How do you know why they are detained ?
Since a large proportion of those detained at Guantanamo are unable to answer these questions themselves, their defence lawyers are unable to answer these questions, even the Department of Defence is unable to answer these questions, it strikes me as demonical that you can be so sure in your judgement of the Guantanamo detainees. Put bluntly, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about but this doesn't stop you making life and death judgements on people you know nothing about.
Doubtless the irony of your own words - "I detest all those who commit premeditated murders against innocent civilians , their actions are obscene , uncivilized and barbaric" - will be lost on you; words which apply with shocking accuracy to the US agencies that opened, operated and supplied Guantanamo with its hapless victims. And words which report accurately on your own approach to this question.
I suggest that you at least take a look at the following so that you temper the ignorance produced terror which you would have visited on innocents around the world :
Okay, I was being provocative. Truth is President Ahmadinejad said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuality like you do in the United States." What do you think he meant by this?
Filitsa, is it possible that the words of the president have been mis-interpreted ?, I would read his comment as 'A Comparison' rather than an actual statement of fact.
Perhaps he was pointing out that the levels of tolerance towards such issues as homosexuality are less than in Western nations.
Certainly there are vast differences in the way crime and (what the Iranians perceive to be) decent standards of moral conduct, between Iran and the Western nations are viewed.
Why do we of the West, constantly bombard other nations with our opinions on how they should conduct themselves?, surely we are very poor examples for those nations to follow, we cannot (seemingly) control our own standards, it is hardly fair to impose our will on others.
President Ahmedinejad is being presented to us (through the media) as some kind of village idiot, he is a leader of a mighty nation, what he does in his own country is his business, if he wishes to make comparisons, he is as entitled to do so as we are.
OR, should we just attack him now, in the hope that such an act will encourage other nations to join forces against him and save us from the gigantic 'TRAP' we have snared ourselves in by attacking Iraq?.
Seems to me that THAT may be the only option since the Southern part of Iraq (the escape route) is now seriously dominated by the Mahdi Army.
In my humble opinion.
As usual Eliko , your humble opinion is merely that !!
Your mates , the Mahdi Army , must be proud of you but I'm NOT. You are seriously disturbed , but do me a favour please , why the hell do you constantly include your self as part of the West , you are nothing of the sort , you are an Al Qaeda sympathiser , you support the gruesome murders by the savages of Iraq , if you are part of the West then I'm a martian so cut the crap out Eliko you are fooling no one.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:31 am
humanist
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SO DOES THE ROC so whats the difference one will hang you by the balls the other will ridicule your family.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:36 am
Eliko
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Location: Cyprus
CopperLine wrote:
Militiades,
Thanks for clarifying. It is as I feared.
You might want to ask yourself a few questions before you rush to condemn all those (illegally) imprisoned in Guantanamo.
How do you know that they have killed ?
How do you know that they were 'followers of bin Laden' ?
How do you know that they are the 'sworn enemies of civilisation' ?
How do you know what, if any, charges have been laid against them ?
How do you know that they are guilty of any charges laid against them ?
How do you know why they are detained ?
Since a large proportion of those detained at Guantanamo are unable to answer these questions themselves, their defence lawyers are unable to answer these questions, even the Department of Defence is unable to answer these questions, it strikes me as demonical that you can be so sure in your judgement of the Guantanamo detainees. Put bluntly, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about but this doesn't stop you making life and death judgements on people you know nothing about.
Doubtless the irony of your own words - "I detest all those who commit premeditated murders against innocent civilians , their actions are obscene , uncivilized and barbaric" - will be lost on you; words which apply with shocking accuracy to the US agencies that opened, operated and supplied Guantanamo with its hapless victims. And words which report accurately on your own approach to this question.
I suggest that you at least take a look at the following so that you temper the ignorance produced terror which you would have visited on innocents around the world :
CopperLine, congratulations on your comments (above) in response to those of miltiades, thank you for supplying the links which no doubt contain a wealth of information.
I will certainly view them but doubt if miltiades will.
Best wishes to you and good luck with your future postings.
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:40 am
miltiades
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Location: UK
Copperline Wrote:
"""""How do you know that they have killed ?
How do you know that they were 'followers of bin Laden' ?
How do you know that they are the 'sworn enemies of civilisation' ?
How do you know what, if any, charges have been laid against them ?
How do you know that they are guilty of any charges laid against them ?
How do you know why they are detained ? ""
How do you and I , know that the SS murdered millions , how do you and I know that the 9/11 bombers were mostly from S.Arabia, how do you and I know that the July 7th Bombers were Jihadis , how do you and I know that day follows night.
You tell me mate one thing , how the hell did these individuals get to be incarcerated , did the good old USA decide that we are going to arrest a few bearded people just for the sake of it , did they really go out of their way to gather up totaly innocent people and imprison them .Let me tell you something . These people are dangerous bloody fanatics and they ARE LEGALY HELD , because the USA says so !! I dont subscribe to these nonsense constantly regurgitated by naive liberals , look what happened to the UK .
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:40 am
zan
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Did anyone say Guantanamo where every one (of dark skin that is) is guilty............Until...Forever really..
You tell me mate one thing , how the hell did these individuals get to be incarcerated , did the good old USA decide that we are going to arrest a few bearded people just for the sake of it , did they really go out of their way to gather up totaly innocent people and imprison them .Let me tell you something . These people are dangerous bloody fanatics and they ARE LEGALY HELD , because the USA says so !! I dont subscribe to these nonsense constantly regurgitated by naive liberals , look what happened to the UK .
For someone who seemingly reads so little you sure got a lot to say...
Ever heard of the diabolic "Patriot Act" ?
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