TURKISH IS AN OFFICIAL EU LANGUAGE
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| Kifeas |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
As a matter of fact, it has not changed one single iota, since 1960, apart from the fact that the EU aqui was made with a law to rule over it in case of a conflict! However, Zan, since you do not recognise the RoC any longer, and since you only recognise the "TRNC/KKTC" instead; and since you do not accept yourself as a citizen of the RoC, but only a citizen of the "TRNC/KKTC," for what the fuck's sake do you care and want to know what the RoC constitution says, either before or now? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:41 am |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:43 am |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
As a matter of fact, it has not changed one single iota, since 1960, apart from the fact that the EU aqui was made with a law to rule over it in case of a conflict! However, Zan, since you do not recognise the RoC any longer, and since you only recognise the "TRNC/KKTC" instead; and since you do not accept yourself as a citizen of the RoC, but only a citizen of the "TRNC/KKTC," for what the fuck's sake do you care and want to know what the RoC constitution says, either before or now? |
What I think does not matter in that region. Do you have laws or not and in that constitution, does it say that Turkish is an official language of Cyprus...Then it should be an official language of the EU regardless of what is going on in the TRNC/KKTC. More proof that you are not abiding by that constitution and are only paying lip service to it.  |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:57 am |
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| CopperLine wrote: |
Kifeas,
I really can't be bothered going through this. Here was a poster who was saying something about language rights and EU languages. I responded saying I thought that his was unnecessarily complicated and that it didn't have to rely on official language and state membership. You disagree. Fair enough. But don't give me that crap about it being irrelevant to the thread or that we were only talking about official EU languages. Even the briefest of glimpses across the posts on this thread show that not to be the case.
"If you want to prove your sincerity and integrity as a poster ..." What on earth are you talking about ? Why on earth do you think I might give a hoot 'as a poster' ?
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CopperLine, The EU has 23 OFFICIAL languages, i.e. all the laws, publications, decisions, declarations, etc, are all translated into all of them, plus they are all accepted to be used in the EU parliament by MPs; it then has (only)3 WORKING languages (English, French and German,) i.e. languages used by its institutional apparatus (employees so to say,) mainly for practical purposes; and then it finally has perhaps hundreds of other languages that are spoken by various groups and communities within the EU, and which are all protected as part of Europe’s cultural heritage!
Brian Siemen's petition was about making Turkish as an OFFICIAL EU language, and this is what the discussion was sparked by and revolves around, i.e. whether the EU should adopt Turkish as an OFFICIAL language; and not whether the various communities in the EU should have the right to speak and use any language they know and wish, among themselves and to each other on an individual level! I do not know why you got the two issues mixed up in this way!
Good night to you too! |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:06 am |
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| phoenix wrote: |
| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
Helloooo! Is this relevant or not? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:12 am |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
Helloooo! Is this relevant or not? |
Absolutely...In the TRNC/KKTC and not in the "RoC" that tells the world that it has the best interests of the Cypriot people at heart....That includes the TCs. Besides...Since you have become EU members the threat of war or danger to the republic has vanished.  |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:13 am |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
Helloooo! Is this relevant or not? |
phoenix, where is this "Pangaia" village situated in Cyprus? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:20 am |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| phoenix wrote: |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
Helloooo! Is this relevant or not? |
phoenix, where is this "Pangaia" village situated in Cyprus? |
AW! Let the bird speak... |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:24 am |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| phoenix wrote: |
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| zan wrote: |
Does anyone have a copy of the constitution of the `"RoC" and how different is it to the original legal one?????
The point here is whether the "RoC' is abiding by that constitution or not and not as special conditions as to how the TRNC/KKTC is behaving. You cannot suspend law in a supposed legal state. |
I've got a Core document that says:
51. In case of war or public danger threatening the life of the Republic or part thereof, certain of the fundamental rights guaranteed under and specified by the Constitution may be suspended . . .
But I am sure someone else can come up with something better. |
Helloooo! Is this relevant or not? |
phoenix, where is this "Pangaia" village situated in Cyprus? |
Kifeas, Pangaia is the Humanists' vision of a world without borders. Gaia being the goddess of the Earth . . .
(If I remember correctly from geography lessons it may also have been the name of the one continent before drift.)
My home village is near Polis. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:30 am |
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| i think its safe to say these agreements are no longer valid the 1960 ones seing as the turkish have their TRNC.. how is that in the 1960 agreements? forget them! turkish is no official eu language |
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