Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey (KRET)
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| zan wrote: |
We are Cypriots and proud to be...Many believe we are the greatest people and nation in the world....Perhaps we should lead the way.    |
That's a fair enough proposal but why not make it fairer by giving way to the millions of Kurds whose plight is far more urgent... |
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| Re: Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey (KRET) | |
| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:00 am |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| zan wrote: |
| We are Cypriots and proud to be...Many believe we are the greatest people and nation in the world....Perhaps we should lead the way. |
That's a fair enough proposal but why not make it fairer by giving way to the millions of Kurds whose plight is far more urgent... |
Nothing is more important than the Cyprob and you acting as if you care one iota for the Kurds and that your needs are not greater than theirs would have me calling you a big fat liar. If that were the case of course. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:34 pm |
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Why would the US destroy whats probably the only stable Islamic country and all in order to share it out to the Kurds?!?!? 
It makes no sense what so ever to me. It would cause more trouble than it would solve.
Only GCs would do something so stupid if they had the chance... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:41 pm |
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well the US is building 2 huge bases...
1...in north Lebanon
2...in Kurdistan
If I was turkey I would stop reading into coffe cups for starters...and start questioning the motive.
and with this I say Gnight and looking forward to talking to you guys and gals in 4 days... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:02 pm |
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| T_C wrote: |
Why would the US destroy whats probably the only stable Islamic country and all in order to share it out to the Kurds?!?!?
It makes no sense what so ever to me. It would cause more trouble than it would solve.
Only GCs would do something so stupid if they had the chance... |
By the same token why should anyone destroy STABLE and beautiful Cyprus by recognizing an UNSTABLE Turkish state called the "TRNC"? Only Turkish Cypriots would do something so stupid if they had the chance... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:15 pm |
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| CopperLine wrote: |
Piratis, GR,
So how exactly would a 'KRET' or Kurdistan in eastern Turkey (a) hasten the resolution of the Cyprus problem and (b) hasten the restoration of Armenian national rights ? Or are your proposals simply to annoy Turkey and to encourage the killings of yet more innocents ? |
Double standards again, CopperLine? So, the TCs have the "right" of self-determination on the basis of stolen lands and ethnic cleansing of the majority population; but the Kurds do not have this right, not even on the basis of their very own historical /ancestral territories in SE Anatolia (Turkey?)
I suppose "might is right," CopperLine, isn't it? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Kifeas,
Your idiocy knows no limits
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| but the Kurds do not have this right |
Who said that ? Not me. I've been involved in campaigns for the last twenty plus years for the right of Kurdish self-determination. You are an effing idiot Kifeas.
My point was that both Armenians and Kurds claim parts of eastern Anatolia as their ancestral home. (Just look at the maps GR posted). Both have a right to self-determination and on top of that eastern Anatolia is claimed as an integral part of Turkey, and Turks too have the right of self-determination. So Kifeas that is the problem to be addressed and not your stupid false accusations.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:50 pm |
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| CopperLine wrote: |
| I've been involved in campaigns for the last twenty plus years for the right of Kurdish self-determination. |
Copperline,
there is a bizarre period of Turkish history no-one has satisfactorily explained to me. Perhaps you can.
At the end of WW1, the treaty of Sevres gives the Kurds a piece of land in the South East. But the Kurds choose to fight against the very same Powers that awarded the Kurds this land. What did Ataturk and the Nationalists offer the Kurds in return for alliance ? Surely something better than a "Sevres Kurdistan", not less, right ? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:03 pm |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| CopperLine wrote: |
Piratis, GR,
So how exactly would a 'KRET' or Kurdistan in eastern Turkey (a) hasten the resolution of the Cyprus problem and (b) hasten the restoration of Armenian national rights ? Or are your proposals simply to annoy Turkey and to encourage the killings of yet more innocents ? |
Please consider the following…
1. The probability that Turkey will ever WILLINGLY cede territory for the creation of a Turkish Kurdish state (KRET) is next to zero.
2. The probability that Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Turkey will ever SIMULTANEOUSLY agree to relinquish their corresponding Kurdish territories towards the creation of Kurdistan is even smaller.
Given the above what safe assumptions can one make?  |
The safest assumption we make is that you are Number One '----' stirer. Your only intention on this forum is to agitate TCs. Period. I for one never gets agitated.
Apart from that I believe Article One in the Rep. of Turkey Constitution says that Turkey is a whole and is Indivisible. Or was that something to do with the structure of the atom? That was wrong too. Turkey will keep on fighting as it is now. Pity reallly. All these innocent lives. Your support for these PKK terrorists will only prolong the suffering of the people in Eastern Turkey. Whats your new chosen name (for your gream) - KRETinistan? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:05 pm |
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GreekForumer
I've got to run .... but a quick initial response is that Sevres was never ratified, the terms of Sevres were rejected which thereby opened the way, eventually, for the T. of Lausanne. Lausanne is the defining moment for this region, not Sevres.
Get back to this later |
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