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GREEK CYPRIOTS POLITICIANS-ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

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Postby yialousa1971 » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:11 am

The Cypriot wrote:You should set up a news agency, like Halil's, and issue a press release. "Greeks of Cyprus now reaches four". (correction 3.5)

Seriously though, I know a lot of people from Greece, and they're all lovely. Which part of Greece are you from, Yialousa?


The Island of Cyprus, village Yialousa. :D
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:49 am

If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 am

The Cypriot wrote:If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.


To be Greek (HELLINAS) does not mean that you are part of Greek state or you wish to be.
Hellinas is an Ethnos and Greece or Cyprus are just Nationalities/citizenship.
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:25 am

EPSILON wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.


To be Greek (HELLINAS) does not mean that you are part of Greek state or you wish to be.
Hellinas is an Ethnos and Greece or Cyprus are just Nationalities/citizenship.


Didn't you see what your Greek brother, yialousa wrote? He thinks Cyprus is part of Greece. Whose side are you on?
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:32 am

The Cypriot wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.


To be Greek (HELLINAS) does not mean that you are part of Greek state or you wish to be.
Hellinas is an Ethnos and Greece or Cyprus are just Nationalities/citizenship.


Didn't you see what your Greek brother, yialousa wrote? He thinks Cyprus is part of Greece. Who's side are you on?


My point is that G/cs community can be and should be the best part of Hellenism , living in a separate indepedent state and cooperating with Turks of the Island under a mutally agreed consitution.This is my general position and i am insisting on this Hellenic culture since i consider that this is the only thing which can save us in long term in an Island so close and militarily controlled by Turkey (despite Turkey will have miliary forces on the Island or not).

Trying to create a new Ethhnos where to include ourselves and T/cs , i consider, will resulted ,in few years ,the dissapearance of our stigma in this small state.
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:41 am

EPSILON wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.


To be Greek (HELLINAS) does not mean that you are part of Greek state or you wish to be.
Hellinas is an Ethnos and Greece or Cyprus are just Nationalities/citizenship.


Didn't you see what your Greek brother, yialousa wrote? He thinks Cyprus is part of Greece. Who's side are you on?


My point is that G/cs community can be and should be the best part of Hellenism , living in a separate indepedent state and cooperating with Turks of the Island under a mutally agreed consitution.This is my general position and i am insisting on this Hellenic culture since i consider that this is the only thing which can save us in long term in an Island so close and militarily controlled by Turkey (despite Turkey will have miliary forces on the Island or not).

Trying to create a new Ethhnos where to include ourselves and T/cs , i consider, will resulted ,in few years ,the dissapearance of our stigma in this small state.


Fair enough. You believe Cyprus should be a separate independent state. So you disagree with yialousa that Cyprus is part of Greece.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:43 am

The Cypriot wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If Cyprus is part of Greece, then part of it - including Yialousa - is now part of Turkey. I hope you can live with yourself.


To be Greek (HELLINAS) does not mean that you are part of Greek state or you wish to be.
Hellinas is an Ethnos and Greece or Cyprus are just Nationalities/citizenship.


Didn't you see what your Greek brother, yialousa wrote? He thinks Cyprus is part of Greece. Whose side are you on?


No, he did not say Cyprus is part of Greece.

You are beginning to sound like a lying Turk now .... :roll:

People should be able to declare being Hellenic without being accused of annexing Cyprus to Greece. Cyprus has never been part of Greece but has been part of the Hellenic world for thousands of years.

That's not going to change now, just because you want to become a modern-day Linobambaki!
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:56 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Didn't you see what your Greek brother, yialousa wrote? He thinks Cyprus is part of Greece. Whose side are you on?


No, he did not say Cyprus is part of Greece.


Yes. He did. I asked him what part of Greece he was from. He said Cyprus. The evidence is above. Now let yialousa fight his own battles, for you're not capable.

Oracle wrote:You are beginning to sound like a lying Turk now .... :roll:


Rubbish. Who's lying?


Oracle wrote:People should be able to declare being Hellenic without being accused of annexing Cyprus to Greece.


I didn't accuse him. It's what he said. Stick to science, you're no defence lawyer.

Oracle wrote:Cyprus has never been part of Greece but has been part of the Hellenic world for thousands of years.

That's not going to change now, just because you want to become a modern-day Linobambaki!


Don't throw around unsubstantiated allegations. I take the teachings of Jesus very seriously indeed. Attack your enemies if you wish, but I'm not one of them. And I love my enemies.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:56 pm

you guys should seriously consider rereading my manifesto.

if we wish to expand on the Principal of Bicommunality, it does not mean two governments. It does not even mean "Greek" and "Turkish". it is a way for citizens to recognize that as Individuals they are members of a State, and as Persons, they are members of a Nationality.

in my Cyprus, to repeat myself, there would exist a Republic which has as its objective the defence and promotion of our Individual Rights, without the distinction of "it" having any single ethnicity. whereas, in my Cyprus, there would exist National Assemblies, where Communities would have the power as majorities to demonstrate their recognition of the special needs of any kind of minority which lives amongst them while sustaining an identity that as a group is distinct to themselves. Therefore, one would expect two, three (and in the longer run) several National Assemblies.

Furthermore, Bizonality does not mean tearing the island in two. It has at its core a Jurisdictional component where the geography can be served, each as a Community, as Cypriots obligated to each others' needs. If we are serious in demonstrating our commitment to the ideals which improve the Human Condition, then enclaves will spot the whole island, without restrictions based on ethnicity, as Cypriots, allowing for the return of whole communities, and the creation of new ones, beyond the Rights of Individuals as displaced Persons, represented in Assemblies which have in mind the diversity of their own majority, respectful of the Patrimony which as this island's dwellers is our responsibility to sustain for the rest of Mankind.
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