Is there a coherent GC strategy to reunify Cyprus?
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It seems that all the TCs are good at is sitting on their backsides waiting for the RoC to perform miracles while they harbor and encourage the enemy.
Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails. |
So is there a coherent GC strategy for reunification? |
What reunification? The word implies that there are two or more states does it not? What Cyprus has is a portion of her territory held captive by a foreign invader, so what Cyprus needs is LIBERATION or for international law to be implemented at last. |
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Fancy that! The TC community are holding the Republic hostage with their selfish and undemocratic demands while Turkish Anatolian punks point their guns in our direction and we are expected to magically "solve" such a predicament!
On top of that they have the audacity to call themselves Cypriots... Cypriots my arse! If these people are Cypriots then I'm a bloody Martian... |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:02 am |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails. |
I understand your frustrations and the point you're making GR!, but the trouble for the GCs is that the TCs are probably reasonably happy with the current situation, and therefore have no need to wish for reunification. All the GCs I know want the island as one again, and that was the basis for my argument that the onus had to be on the GCs and not the TCs.
I'm not familiar enough with the different policies of the political parties in Cyprus to know if there really is a plan to ensure that reunification occurs. My other thesis was that the changing demographics might make any GC plans for reunification even more difficult - therefore there was a need to obtain a solution sooner rather than later.
Can the GCs make better use of EU membership to force the issue? |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
Fancy that! The TC community are holding the Republic hostage with their selfish and undemocratic demands while Turkish Anatolian punks point their guns in our direction and we are expected to magically "solve" such a predicament!
On top of that they have the audacity to call themselves Cypriots... Cypriots my arse! If these people are Cypriots then I'm a bloody Martian... |
Listen here Martian Martha.....The undemocratic demands were made at gun point to my people three years after the republic was peacefully formed. You lost your right to make claims as to who is and who is not a Cypriot and the definition is well out of your reach. You get fat on the fruits of Cyprus and only let us have a sniff as you hold us under siege and then you dare to say that we are holding you hostage. You backed us to a wall, or rather 3% of our own country an we came out fighting. You should have thought of the consequences. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:07 am |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
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It seems that all the TCs are good at is sitting on their backsides waiting for the RoC to perform miracles while they harbor and encourage the enemy.
Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails. |
So is there a coherent GC strategy for reunification? |
What reunification? The word implies that there are two or more states does it not? What Cyprus has is a portion of her territory held captive by a foreign invader, so what Cyprus needs is LIBERATION or for international law to be implemented at last. |
OK, not got a problem with liberation rather than reunification, but I think we are saying the same thing. |
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Good point GR am with you on that one, and whilst our Cypriot compatriot who speak Turkish and live n the occupied area demand that Turkey remain on the Island there is no solution. Am happy to wait  |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:17 am |
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| humanist wrote: |
| Good point GR am with you on that one, and whilst our Cypriot compatriot who speak Turkish and live n the occupied area demand that Turkey remain on the Island there is no solution. Am happy to wait |
Take out a good pension so you can afford to sit and watch in your old age.... |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:17 am |
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| Clearly there is a need to implement international law, and failing to ensure that occurred seems to have been a major weakness of the GCs since 1974. I guess I'm wondering how this can be rectified, and the full force of the international community brought to bear for liberation/reunification to occur? |
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| Talisker wrote: |
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| Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails. |
I understand your frustrations and the point you're making GR!, but the trouble for the GCs is that the TCs are probably reasonably happy with the current situation, and therefore have no need to wish for reunification. All the GCs I know want the island as one again, and that was the basis for my argument that the onus had to be on the GCs and not the TCs.
I'm not familiar enough with the different policies of the political parties in Cyprus to know if there really is a plan to ensure that reunification occurs. My other thesis was that the changing demographics might make any GC plans for reunification even more difficult - therefore there was a need to obtain a solution sooner rather than later.
Can the GCs make better use of EU membership to force the issue? |
That the TC community is “reasonably happy” after ransacking GC properties and benefiting off RoC territory is a well known fact! Since when is a blackmailer not happy to hold their victim hostage at gunpoint? The RoC is under NO OBLIGATION to cede territory to anyone but OBLIGED to protect her interests, including her territory, in accordance with her constitution. All plans suggested for Cyprus are in fact ILLEGAL and the only LEGAL procedure is that which the UN demands under UN RESOLUTION 353 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm
The changing demographics does not worry me one bit because if the Turkish army saw fit to uproot 200,000 indigenous Cypriots of a 10,000 year history then I have no problem whatsoever literally TOASTING anything and anyone who gets in my way if and when the tide turns... I think it’s fair enough. |
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| Perhaps the international community failed to uphold onto its responsibilites and hence has failed Cypriots all round. Without an invading force present in Cyprus there will be freedom of movement and rights restored including no exconomic isoaltion of the Turkish speaking Community currently living in the occupied area |
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