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[zan]

Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails.

I understand your frustrations and the point you're making GR!, but the trouble for the GCs is that the TCs are probably reasonably happy with the current situation, and therefore have no need to wish for reunification. All the GCs I know want the island as one again, and that was the basis for my argument that the onus had to be on the GCs and not the TCs.

I'm not familiar enough with the different policies of the political parties in Cyprus to know if there really is a plan to ensure that reunification occurs. My other thesis was that the changing demographics might make any GC plans for reunification even more difficult - therefore there was a need to obtain a solution sooner rather than later.

Can the GCs make better use of EU membership to force the issue?

That the TC community is “reasonably happy” after ransacking GC properties and benefiting off RoC territory is a well known fact! Since when is a blackmailer not happy to hold their victim hostage at gunpoint? The RoC is under NO OBLIGATION to cede territory to anyone but OBLIGED to protect her interests, including her territory, in accordance with her constitution. All plans suggested for Cyprus are in fact ILLEGAL and the only LEGAL procedure is that which the UN demands under UN RESOLUTION 353 (1974)

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

The changing demographics does not worry me one bit because if the Turkish army saw fit to uproot 200,000 indigenous Cypriots of a 10,000 year history then I have no problem whatsoever literally TOASTING anything and anyone who gets in my way if and when the tide turns... I think it’s fair enough.

I got nothing to say....Just didn't want this baby to be lost.....

[Talisker]

Any notion that the onus is not on them is totally false and simply encourages the continuation of their illegal ways. The TC community is very much responsible for the continued illegal presence of the Turkish army on the island which is in effect holding the country hostage and tied down to absurd blackmails.

I understand your frustrations and the point you're making GR!, but the trouble for the GCs is that the TCs are probably reasonably happy with the current situation, and therefore have no need to wish for reunification. All the GCs I know want the island as one again, and that was the basis for my argument that the onus had to be on the GCs and not the TCs.

I'm not familiar enough with the different policies of the political parties in Cyprus to know if there really is a plan to ensure that reunification occurs. My other thesis was that the changing demographics might make any GC plans for reunification even more difficult - therefore there was a need to obtain a solution sooner rather than later.

Can the GCs make better use of EU membership to force the issue?

That the TC community is “reasonably happy” after ransacking GC properties and benefiting off RoC territory is a well known fact! Since when is a blackmailer not happy to hold their victim hostage at gunpoint? The RoC is under NO OBLIGATION to cede territory to anyone but OBLIGED to protect her interests, including her territory, in accordance with her constitution. All plans suggested for Cyprus are in fact ILLEGAL and the only LEGAL procedure is that which the UN demands under UN RESOLUTION 353 (1974)

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

The changing demographics does not worry me one bit because if the Turkish army saw fit to uproot 200,000 indigenous Cypriots of a 10,000 year history then I have no problem whatsoever literally TOASTING anything and anyone who gets in my way if and when the tide turns... I think it’s fair enough.

Are you saying the Turkish army in the occupied part of the island is not just for defence of the TCs, but also for future offensive operations to attack GCs? Is that likely?

And are you also considering a time when the GCs are in a realistic position to take military action to liberate the occupied part of the island?

[Get Real!]

Clearly there is a need to implement international law, and failing to ensure that occurred seems to have been a major weakness of the GCs since 1974. I guess I'm wondering how this can be rectified, and the full force of the international community brought to bear for liberation/reunification to occur?

Now you're on the right track... now you have the ESSENCE of the "Cyprus Problem" which is none other than the obstruction of international justice being served.

[Talisker]

Clearly there is a need to implement international law, and failing to ensure that occurred seems to have been a major weakness of the GCs since 1974. I guess I'm wondering how this can be rectified, and the full force of the international community brought to bear for liberation/reunification to occur?

Now you're on the right track... now you have the ESSENCE of the "Cyprus Problem" which is none other than the obstruction of international justice being served.

I agree with you. How can this obstruction be removed?

[zan]

Now is your chance to post those longed for battle plans you tried to get me to allow you to post GR...Transparent or what

And as usual Humanist goes along for the ride not knowing what that entails...

[Get Real!]

Clearly there is a need to implement international law, and failing to ensure that occurred seems to have been a major weakness of the GCs since 1974. I guess I'm wondering how this can be rectified, and the full force of the international community brought to bear for liberation/reunification to occur?

Now you're on the right track... now you have the ESSENCE of the "Cyprus Problem" which is none other than the obstruction of international justice being served.

I agree with you. How can this obstruction be removed?

With perseverance the RoC must take the case to the world court and demand that the relevant authorities, such as the UN, act on their past decisions be it in the form of an international embargo, a military intervention, or whatever other option exists against Turkey.

Now do you see why some of us see a “reunification” as absurd? Because it also suggests that we are SANITIZED to the illegal invasion/occupation and have willingly downgraded Turkey’s barbaric acts to a “communal dispute” and that is something we must NEVER allow to happen if justice is ever to be served.

[zan]

I am so enjoying this nonsense.......Come on GR...Climb on your soap box again and tell us what re-unification means.... Make sure you wave goodbye to the TRNC whilst you are yup there

[Get Real!]

I am so enjoying this nonsense.......Come on GR...Climb on your soap box again and tell us what re-unification means.... Make sure you wave goodbye to the TRNC whilst you are yup there

You haven't convinced me that you are convinced that it is nonsense...

[Talisker]

Clearly there is a need to implement international law, and failing to ensure that occurred seems to have been a major weakness of the GCs since 1974. I guess I'm wondering how this can be rectified, and the full force of the international community brought to bear for liberation/reunification to occur?

Now you're on the right track... now you have the ESSENCE of the "Cyprus Problem" which is none other than the obstruction of international justice being served.

I agree with you. How can this obstruction be removed?

With perseverance the RoC must take the case to the world court and demand that the relevant authorities, such as the UN, act on their past decisions be it in the form of an international embargo, a military intervention, or whatever other option exists against Turkey.

Now do you see why some of us see a “reunification” as absurd? Because it also suggests that we are SANITIZED to the illegal invasion/occupation and have willingly downgraded Turkey’s barbaric acts to a “communal dispute” and that is something we must NEVER allow to happen if justice is ever to be served.

Obviously to you living within a divided island, and understanding the injustices of the situation, this is much, much more than a 'communal dispute'. Could lack of action on the part of the international community be because this is the level at which it is viewed outside the island, particularly as it is more than a generation since the invasion, and there has been 'peace' since 1974?

[zan]

I am so enjoying this nonsense.......Come on GR...Climb on your soap box again and tell us what re-unification means.... Make sure you wave goodbye to the TRNC whilst you are yup there

You haven't convinced me that you are convinced that it is nonsense...

This fish is not for catching GR...