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[Saint Jimmy]

In my opinion, we get one more chance.

I agree that there is still time (and much will amonst 'ordinary' people) for 'one more chance' - which is why I think TP is doing and will do everything he can to block a new proposal being put to the 'people' - hence the insitance on no UN arbitration and no time limit an no requirment on GC to say what they actually want changed in the Annan plan.

I'm not following you...
TP is insisting on no UN arbitration and no time limit and doesn't say what he wants, while there is still time for a solution, because...? Because he doesn't want an agreed solution? Because he wants to hold on to power? Because he is a Turk-hater and he'd rather live in half a 'clean' country than a whole 'dirty' one?
I've heard all this before, at times, and I can't believe that he is that small a person - would he tie up the will of 700,000 GCs on his own personal bandwagon? It just sounds too much for me. I don't think he is an evil man, I think he is just prejudiced and stuck to his youth's beliefs, that Turks want to con us into partitioning Cyprus, and that's why he's being extra-cautious.

[brother]

Quote Jimmy:

TP is insisting on no UN arbitration and no time limit and doesn't say what he wants, while there is still time for a solution, because...? Because he doesn't want an agreed solution? Because he wants to hold on to power? Because he is a Turk-hater and he'd rather live in half a 'clean' country than a whole 'dirty' one?
I've heard all this before, at times, and I can't believe that he is that small a person - would he tie up the will of 700,000 GCs on his own personal bandwagon?


At least you have started to understand what all cypriots are up against, this person tassos never will be for solution, i have said it so many times and now that he has confirmed himself as a liar many times over you the GC still have the option of getting rid of him with a demand for his resignation if you still cherish the idea of solution on our island.

[boulio]

t-pap will never be for a solution that cements turkeys rights on the island above those of the cypriots people,he will never be for a soluton that will collapse after the first deadlock and he will never be for a solution that the cypriot peeple g/c and t/c are second class citizens in there own country.he will never be for a solution that makes the g/c and t/c pay for turkeys 30 years of occupation,he will never be for a solution that grants settlers higher rights than g/c.so you know what good for him,you bad mouth him but never try to understand him,he is not saying no to a solution or reunification but no to a solution that grants the above.

[Saint Jimmy]

t-pap will never be for a solution that cements turkeys rights on the island above those of the cypriots people,he will never be for a soluton that will collapse after the first deadlock and he will never be for a solution that the cypriot peeple g/c and t/c are second class citizens in there own country.he will never be for a solution that makes the g/c and t/c pay for turkeys 30 years of occupation,he will never be for a solution that grants settlers higher rights than g/c.

Well, boulio, much as I'd like to agree with you, the truth is he's not doing much to achieve a solution different to what you're describing here - he's pretty much not doing anything, right now. He seems to be waiting for a solution to come and bite him on the ass...
How would you explain this stalling of his?

[boulio]

i think lucern left a bitter taste in his mouth,jimmy and not so much annan himself but more de soto,and is hesitant when it comes to the offices of the UN.ALSO im sure he is awaiting the results of the elections in the north and the appoitment of GB to the EU rotation presedency.and whats the rush?turkey is the one that is rushing, t-pap is not linking turkey solving the cyprus problem with turkey signing the protocol and starting ascesion neg., turkey is.

[Viewpoint]

boulio

turkey is the one that is rushing, t-pap is not linking turkey solving the cyprus problem with turkey signing the protocol and starting ascesion neg., turkey is.

I dont see what the fuss is, Turkey has said it will sign from from day 1 when its ready but before 3rd Oct, it does not mean recognition and the EU officials have confirmed this time and time again. So Cyprus issue has nothing to do with customs protocol, thats just a scam so Papdop can say look I made them do what we want so lets keep doing this and get maximum demands for GCs. This wont work and will backfire in GC admins face as EU will not tollerate little southern Cyprus holding Turkey to ransom.

[Saint Jimmy]

I dont see what the fuss is, Turkey has said it will sign from from day 1 when its ready but before 3rd Oct, it does not mean recognition and the EU officials have confirmed this time and time again.

True, it's not going to mean recognition, and the EU has repeated it many times (although, in all fairness, they refuse to make it official by putting it in the Protocol itself). But what does this 'when she is ready' thing mean? Why are they delaying it? Why haven't they signed it yet? Why are they not saying 'we will sign when this and that happen'? My guess is, either Turkey is not telling you guys everything, or T-Pap and his crew know something we don't...

[boulio]

little ROC holding turkey to ransom,turks realy have a weird way of seeing things.its not just little roc you have to extend it to 10 new members,and its not ransom but EU protocol.This is just the begining.

The customs protocol is not just some piece of paper viewpoint,it will mean that roc ships dock in turkish harbors,roc flights use turkish airspace and roc busnises are free to operate in turkish market and vice versa.

No one said that it means recognition,so whats the hold up on turkey's end if it dosent mean recognition?

[Viewpoint]

Saint Turkey will sign when good and ready not before.

[boulio]

im sure they will.