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Postby insan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:12 pm

In the short term it might not be a good thing for the RoC but in the long term it does force Turkey to remove her head from the sand and actually start engaging with Cyprus to solve all the issues.



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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:13 pm

Be sure but not in a way how you have dreamt it.


Yet more crystal ball predictions!
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:17 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:
Be sure but not in a way how you have dreamt it.


Yet more crystal ball predictions!


My predictions are based upon facts and strong rationales. Yours are based upon your dreams.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:25 pm

And what are your facts Insan?

If you suggest that Turkey will sacrifice her EU course over Cyprus, then yes, I agree with you, she probably will! But does that actually get anyone anywhere? No. In the short term it satisfies the narrow minded self interests but in the longer term these issues come back to the surface and perhaps in a form that nobody may like. If you think that Turkey will not make any sacrifices in order to get EU membership then I will say you are wrong. Every country that has ever joined has had to make some kind of sacrifice and don't expect Turkey to be any different.
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:41 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:And what are your facts Insan?

If you suggest that Turkey will sacrifice her EU course over Cyprus, then yes, I agree with you, she probably will! But does that actually get anyone anywhere? No. In the short term it satisfies the narrow minded self interests but in the longer term these issues come back to the surface and perhaps in a form that nobody may like. If you think that Turkey will not make any sacrifices in order to get EU membership then I will say you are wrong. Every country that has ever joined has had to make some kind of sacrifice and don't expect Turkey to be any different.



What you demand for solution of Cyprus problem cannot be the sacrifices that Turkish side can make.

1- Demand repatriation of settlers who came afterwards 90s. It is highly probable Turkish side would say yes.

2- Demand "political equality" at constituent level for permanent GC residents of GC refugees. It is highly probable Turkish side would say yes.


Forget the rest. Otherwise prepare yourself for partition.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:09 pm

Forget the rest. Otherwise prepare yourself for partition.


And what is the rest?

I have always said that MOST settlers would have to be repatriated, meaning that I am prepared for those that arrived early on will have the right to stay.

I have always said that GC's should be allowed to vote for the constituent state they live in.

As to the rest? What? Troops? I think you will find that I would like troops to leave the island more rapidly than stipulated in the plan? Is this a maximalist demand? I don't think so.

Should troops remain? In my opinion no. No Greek or Turkish troops in Cypurs. What is the point of Turkey having troops in Cyprus when she is only 40 miles away and can dump thousands of them at very short notice into Cyprus.

What about guarantees? I would accept that Turkey can guarantee the TC area in Cyprus and it seems Turkey would be prepared to do that. In fact a good compromise for both.

Oh, and if we do get partiton, then the price Turkey pays is that she will be banished to the fringes of Europe. The price will be paid by both sides. Don't think that you will get partition for free.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:20 pm

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Don't think that you will get partition for free.


We are not stupid but its price we are willing to pay so that TCs can end all these pointless arguements that will never provide a solution acceptable to both communities and we will be rid of each other forever, GCs dont have to trust us and TCs dont have to trust them.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:22 pm

And you speak for Turkey do you? Because it is Turkey that will pay the price.
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Postby insan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:25 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:
Forget the rest. Otherwise prepare yourself for partition.


And what is the rest?

I have always said that MOST settlers would have to be repatriated, meaning that I am prepared for those that arrived early on will have the right to stay.


What you say is vague. Tell me exactly how mant settlers you wish to be repatriated.

I have always said that GC's should be allowed to vote for the constituent state they live in.


Vague. elaborate please.

As to the rest? What? Troops? I think you will find that I would like troops to leave the island more rapidly than stipulated in the plan? Is this a maximalist demand? I don't think so.


Vague. Elaborate please. what you want is complete demilitarization in shortest time or reduction of military power on both sides of the island to a balanced level?

Should troops remain? In my opinion no. No Greek or Turkish troops in Cypurs. What is the point of Turkey having troops in Cyprus when she is only 40 miles away and can dump thousands of them at very short notice into Cyprus.


As long as two communities need protection, a balanced military power should be maintained for the protection of two communities both against internal dangers and external dangers. It's up to two communities seperate majority will to decide about foreign troops. Greece-Turkey and Cyprus should strengthen their relations in all areas including common defense policies. We know how long did it take turke to come from 40 miles away and we know the cost of any late military operation.

What about guarantees? I would accept that Turkey can guarantee the TC area in Cyprus and it seems Turkey would be prepared to do that. In fact a good compromise for both.


I agree but why not a wider alliance in East Mediterennean between Greece-Turkey and Cyprus?

Oh, and if we do get partiton, then the price Turkey pays is that she will be banished to the fringes of Europe. The price will be paid by both sides. Don't think that you will get partition for free.


No one will get partition for free. everyone will pay their own share, don't worry about it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:27 pm

Dont you feel that one way or another Turkey will have to pay a price, be it financial or political concessions. its how they can reduce these to a minimum is the real issue.
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