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Postby Piratis » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:34 pm

The solution of the Cyprus problem:

Cyprus is split into the "GC country" made by the the 78% of the ground. Within this state the GCs can have what is ideal for them: majority rule, democracy, one parliament etc.

In the other 22%, the "North country" will be made by 2 equal communities. 82% of TCs and 18% of GCs. The GCs will have their own federal state made by the 29% of the "north country" land, political equality and everything else that the TCs would have in a "united" Cyprus under the Annan plan.

Do you accept this solution?
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Postby metecyp » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:40 pm

Piratis wrote:Do you accept this solution?

So if we say that we don't accept Piratis' wonderful plan, then he would come back at us and say "See, that's why we don't accept that TCs are politically equal to GCs". Let's talk about what was agreed in 1976, a bicommunal bizonal federation and not fiction.
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Re: The solution

Postby Saint Jimmy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:44 pm

Piratis wrote:Do you accept this solution?

Nope!
Piratis wrote:The solution of the Cyprus problem:

This is not a solution - certainly not 'the' solution. This is putting the problem under the rug.
Piratis wrote:Cyprus is split into the "GC country" made by the the 78% of the ground. Within this state the GCs can have what is ideal for them: majority rule, democracy, one parliament etc.

What is ideal is peaceful co-existence. The rest is mere laziness.
Do you really believe that agreed partition will do anything to change the poisoned, distorted perceptions that keep the two communities apart? What, then, is to stop the new, 'agreed' hostility from emerging again and destroying more hundreds of thousands of people's lives all over again?
Piratis wrote:In the other 22%, the "North country" will be made by 2 equal communities. 82% of TCs and 18% of GCs. The GCs will have their own federal state made by the 29% of the "north country" land, political equality and everything else that the TCs would have in a "united" Cyprus under the Annan plan.

So, Piratis, how is this arrangement any better for you, than the one proposed by the Annan Plan? You claimed that you were after a solution that would ensure that your country was more yours than Italy and France and Germany, and that the A-Plan didn't achieve this. Does this solution achieve it? Or is this just easier? :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:54 pm

Saint Jimmy, the TCs are clearly trying to screw us. They will never accept a real unification.

Therefore i want to see if they agree for this solution. If they do, then from today I will post another 1800 posts, reminding nothing else to them that they accepted this and therefore there is nothing else to discuss.
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Postby Saint Jimmy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:08 pm

Piratis wrote:Saint Jimmy, the TCs are clearly trying to screw us. They will never accept a real unification.

Why? Have you ever answered the 'why' question? Because they are evil people? Because they are Turks, therefore inherently mean? Why do you think they won't accept what we define as 'real unification'? Please give me an answer.
Piratis wrote:Therefore i want to see if they agree for this solution. If they do, then from today I will post another 1800 posts, reminding nothing else to them that they accepted this and therefore there is nothing else to discuss.

And what's that going to achieve?
Even if every single TC answers yes to this question, there is no way to tell if they are telling the truth. Any average-intelligence person would answer yes, as this is a loaded question, and it doesn't take much to see through it (so, imagine, if I can see through it, so can the TCs in here, most of whom are way above average intellectually).
Even if all TCs answer yes, all it tells me is that they are ready to accept what we didn't. I don't see how their admittance that they would accept the A-plan constitutes victory for us...?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:10 pm

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"North country"


Dont you mean TC Country????

Once we have agreed land distribution what we do in our own country is up to us the TCs and will not concern you.
Surely the whole idea behind partition is eliminating what you are suggesting rather than reducing the same issues into a smaller area of the TC country. I understand what you are trying to establish in your posts. By switching the tables so we are numerically a majority and reducing GCs in our TC country into a minority with the equivelent rights and freedoms. This is how you view us and how you feel we should see ourselves, this will never happen so erase that from your brain.
In theory when partition occurs the two countries will no longer have the others population pretty much like today. If any TCs or GCs want to reside in the others country then they have to meet all the criteria put in place by the respective country.
Put it this way if the TRNC was recognised by the world and I decided to live in your country then I like other foreigners would have to apply and meet all criteria demanded of me for citizenship, justs like other countries all over the world.

So yes to partition but not under imposed GC population, this can evolve naturally like other countries.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:25 am

Why?

Because they have the tanks behind them. The KNOW that what they are asking is unfair for us but they insist because they think they have the upper hand.

Dont you mean TC Country????


No. It will be a country that TCs and GCs will share equally. Otherwise, following your logic, Cyprus is a GC island.


By switching the tables so we are numerically a majority and reducing GCs in our TC country into a minority with the equivalent rights and freedoms. This is how you view us and how you feel we should see ourselves, this will never happen so erase that from your brain.


I didn't see you reacting in this way when TCs are demanding from us the same exact things.

Even if every single TC answers yes to this question, there is no way to tell if they are telling the truth.


Well, the whole point here is to be honest. Otherwise why bother anyway?
If they agree fir this solution, then this mean we have a conclusion and no further discussions need to be made.
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Re: The solution

Postby cannedmoose » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:06 am

Piratis wrote:In the other 22%, the "North country" will be made by 2 equal communities. 82% of TCs and 18% of GCs. The GCs will have their own federal state made by the 29% of the "north country" land, political equality and everything else that the TCs would have in a "united" Cyprus under the Annan plan.

Do you accept this solution?


So according to your plan, the TCs receive a total of 15.62% of the land - 22% less 6.38% for the Federal GC State. And I always thought you wanted an 82-18% split...
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:10 am

Piratis
Cyprus is a GC island.


You said it, Cyprus as in the RoC is GC, represented by GCs for GCs, they dont represent us at all. We are the TRNC might be in limbo and only recognised by Turkey but its ours and we dont have to feel threatened by GCs, but from all the comments opinions prejudices and points of view aired on this forum, the hope for a comprehensive solution diminishes and the momentum for partition will gain ground and become reality. Dont you feel saddened that TCs would rather stay as they are than return to RoC and live with GCs, where is the mass exodus from the so called poverty stricken north to the wealthy and so called democratic human rights respecting south???
You know my opinions we have agreed before that all these arguements and counter arguements are unproductive and that partition is the only real alternative that we can agree on. Its just taking GCs longer to realize this, we can wait another 30 40 50 years until you guys see the light. Time works in favour of partition.
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Postby BigDutch » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:16 am

Viewpoint wrote:" .... that partition is the only real alternative that we can agree on. Its just taking GCs longer to realize this, we can wait another 30 40 50 years until you guys see the light.


Are you serious ??!?

All TC's want partition and this is the true target of the "TRNC" and its overal direction ?
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