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[boomerang]

Oh Boomers i suppose my sarcasm was just a little too subtle for you I'm sorry to lead you in the wrong direction, however it was still worth it

Another smart ass of zan's caliber...same school of thought?



PS...whats the matter you guys, can't you get your shit together tonight?

[zan]

Take a look above your last post Boomers......

[shahmaran]

Yeah Boomers, when you start thinking that everyone around you is a smart ass, the chances are that its probably you who is an utter moron

Go on, tell us more about Turkey with your cyber intelligence, and make our night

Having said that, has anyone got any links in English about the recent release of the US archives regarding the period of 1974, explaining the Greek plans of invading Turkey during the time Turkey was planning to invade Cyprus? I just saw it on the news.

I think its pretty interesting to see the depths of the sinisterism withing the intentions of these so called "civilised EU" members, who are so quick to judge us while ignoring the shit lying under their carpets, kind of like our buddy Boomerang here who is concerned about our "shit"

[oranos64]

It wasnt Turkey who punished them, it was some idiot school teacher, what the hell is wrong with you people, if anything that teacher should teach this kid what a rainbow really looks like coz she obviously has never seen one, and im still waiting to see where that bloody North Kurdistan is coz i cant seem to find it anywhere on the map nor whenever i was hanging around Batman i felt like i was in "North Kurdistan", so come on now, where is it?

I love the all "we are the innocent persecuted Kurds who all we want to do is use our colors in stupid little drawings but mighty evil Turkey wont let us" attitude, what about the 40,000 dead people, is that how you justify it?

hate to rain on your parade mr " talat /turkey head bopping champion c sucker " but when the kurdistan provence in northern iraq was declared the maps used and presentations made by NATO and U.N were of IRAQ pre turkey mongol invaisions ...and northern iraq was firmly in southern turkey .....it was a culture largely existent before your evil thieving forefathers arrived camel riding in raping and pillaging and theiving in the region ....1000000s of in breeds screaming into the area

lovely

[shahmaran]

LOL what a twat!

You what uranus? The UN is using 1000 year old maps? Pull your head out of yourself and think about what you said

[oranos64]

LOL what a twat!

You what uranus? The UN is using 1000 year old maps? Pull your head out of yourself and think about what you said

err yes dick head ,...they use modern and ancient maps during several conferences to justify the location and protection of the area under UN ADVISEMENT

MAN ...YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP SUCKING TURKISH PROPGANDA FLESHPIPES ALL DAY .....GLUG GLUG ...DID YOU SWALLOW OR SPIT

[CopperLine]

Shahmaran,

Having said that, has anyone got any links in English about the recent release of the US archives regarding the period of 1974, explaining the Greek plans of invading Turkey during the time Turkey was planning to invade Cyprus? I just saw it on the news.

I'm not sure which you are referring to, but here are a couple of readily accessible sites which have a rich collection of archival material (though both from USA).

The first is the excellent 'National Security Archive' held at George Washington University (in DC) :

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

Use the very effective search/filter system

You could spend months and months in these archives. Please note that this is not a government archive as its' title might suggest, in fact many of the archive materials have been secured by FOIA. But it is one of the best sources - certainly of online sources - available anywhere in the world.

And the second is the 'Cold War History Project' from the Wilson Centre :

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&fuseaction=topics.home

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&fuseaction=va2.browse&sort=Coverage&item=Cyprus

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=1409&fuseaction=va2.browse&sort=Coverage&item=Turkey

Warning to Boomerang : interpretations of this material vary. You'll have to stop and think carefully about this material - it will not give you a black-or-white answer. Unlike with wikipedia, the lazy man's spin machine, you'll actually have to exercise that grey matter if you want to try and make sense of the world.

[CopperLine]

Oranos64,

1. Since territorial demarcation and spatial mapping is an invention of modern times - depending as it does upon technical instrument of measurement and of measuring change - they (whoever 'they' are) could not have used ancient maps. If they did use 'ancient maps' they would have been perfectly useless for determining the extent of a people's territory. Moreover how to define Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs etc has changed throughout history so it is not as if you can quantify or locate a clearly defined entity.

2. Neither NATO nor the UN have departed or altered the maps showing political bounadries that were established in the treaties and other settlements following the first world war. The idea that ancient maps, even nineteenth century maps, even Ottoman maps were used to determine the external (international) political boundaries of Iraq or specifically the Kurdish part of Iraq is simply mistaken.

they use modern and ancient maps during several conferences to justify the location and protection of the area under UN ADVISEMENT

Almost every word of this sentence has got a great big hole in it. You seem to be quite sure about your claim, so which conferences ? (The Kurdish question was not even a NATO operation so why the UN would be sitting down with NATO is anybody's guess) Which maps ? What do you mean by 'UN advisement' ? (The UN doesn't advise, let alone justify, on where political borders should/should not be). Are you sure that you didn't make all of this up ? Maybe you didn't, and there's one sure way of ascertaining the truth or otherwise : tell us what your sources are for these claims.

3. If all you are saying is that pre-modern population maps were consulted then that might be all very interesting but it has no consequence for modern or current drawing of political boundaries. (In any case population maps - eg showing distribution of ethnic Kurds, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Arabs etc - are of relatively recent origin. Again, for this region, they don't date before the 1920s, 1910s at the earliest and in almost all cases leave a significant margin of error).

[Dîrî]

It's so ridiculous to read how the Turks here twist their way out of confrontation...

Pussies... A bunch of worn out pussies... That's what you are... Well fucked by Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians... Worn out pussies...

Why don't you just answer the damn questions being asked? Oh that's right - you're mama state hasn't yet distributed the official stance on the matter...

What about the 3 million "internally displaced refugees" of Turkey - all Kurds whose villages were burnt down - 6 fucken' thousand of them....

What about the girls raped by Turkish army men - to destroy Kurdish homes? And thus effectively destroying Kurdish society and culture...

What about the imprisonment of tens of thousands of men and women who "violated" article 301? You know - "offending Turkishness"... Whatever the hell that is...

What about all the operations done by the TSK and then blamed on the PKK? You know - like Susurluk, Semdinli and a whole load more... All done in the great spirit of putting the PKK in a bad light...

- No matter how much I hate the PKK, I hate the Turkish army a gazillion times more...

What about the state of emergency and prevention of any "tourists" to visite and travel in the area - was it all just to "keep the peace" or more honestly to hide the truth?

What about the gass bombings of Sirnex and Dersîm?

You're a load of worn out pussies...

[shahmaran]

Diri you are just as full of shit as that Uranus over there, where are your sources on the "gassing of the Kurds", i asked you this before and all you could give me was a name of a stupid book, so cut the crap!

If you really want to get to the root of things then tell me what the Kurds were doing killing Armenians/Turks and going behind our back together with the Soviets and the Imperialist forces butchering your own neighbours? And then you might find out why SOME Kurds found themselves in the situation they are in, i wont even ask about the 40,000 killed by the PKK! There are MANY MANY Kurds who can happily live in Turkey, become very rich and continue a normal life like everyone else without having an identity crisis or buy the bullshit propaganda that you have already bought and love to distribute.

But at least you admit yourself that you and your likes have actually tried to "fuck" us over the centuries like the "worn out pussies" that we are (!!!), and we just ended up fucking you MUCH harder and are continuing to do so as we speak, so stop crying and go get some sources!

Having said that, considering that the international community has always been so quick to judge everything Turkey does, rightfully or not, currently the only people who are opposing the Iraq operations done by Turkey is that terrorist arsehole Barzani, so have you actually wondered why that is?

Even the biggest "unofficial" supporter of the PKK (US) is helping out Turkey hit the bastards.