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[Piratis]

We make a written agreement that will pass from the UN security council, as follows:

Step 1:
The TCs alone will vote in a referendum if they want to return to RoC under 1960 agreements.
If they vote "yes", then problem solved. If they vote "no" we move to step 2.

Step 2:

The TCs keep 18% of land, and return the rest. The TCs will be free to decide where to live, in that 18% or in RoC.

The TCs that return take all their rights according to the 1960 agreements, except those that call for 30% in governmental positions, and 40% in police/army. Those percentages will instead be the percentage of TCs that will choose to live in RoC.

Then after 5 years, referenda will be held for both communities.
The choice will be:
1) RoC
2) 18% - 82% partition.

If both communities vote option 1, then the remaining 18% of the island returns to RoC according to the 1960 agreements (maybe with some minor changes)
If any site votes for option 2, then all TCs are relocated in that 18% of north Cyprus (loosing their RoC citizenship), and this 18% is declared independent. (call it "TRNC" or whatever you want).

What do you think?

[brother]

I think it sounds o.k but will never make it off the ground, first reason is many gc would be very uncomfortable with the fact that the tc side will be very heavily millaterised with turkish forces(and probably the same for tc about the GC Side) and on the partition side of things they(tc and GC) would resent the fact that they are not free on all their island but only in the 82-18% only.

[insan]

We make a written agreement that will pass from the UN security council, as follows:

Step 1:
The TCs alone will vote in a referendum if they want to return to RoC under 1960 agreements.
If they vote "yes", then problem solved. If they vote "no" we move to step 2.

Ok.

Step 2:

The TCs keep 18% of land, and return the rest. The TCs will be free to decide where to live, in that 18% or in RoC.

It is obvious that if step-1 fails, means majority of TCs don't want to return to RoC. In this case why should TCs immediately return %18 of the land with its people inhabiting in that territory to GC administration. %18 of occupied land can only be returned gradually. First of all will GC administration pay the compensation of the heavily invested lands and properties? We will give Morphou, Famagusta and 30-40 villages back to GC administration and we need to build one Famagusta, one Morphou and 30-40 villages in %18. We need money to rebuilt them. Gradually giving %18 of the land and properties back to GC administration, gradually rebuilding towns and villages and rehabilitation of TC refugees would take no less than 20 years.

The TCs that return take all their rights according to the 1960 agreements, except those that call for 30% in governmental positions, and 40% in police/army. Those percentages will instead be the percentage of TCs that will choose to live in RoC.

Ok.

Then after 5 years, referenda will be held for both communities.
The choice will be:
1) RoC
2) 18% - 82% partition.

After relocation, return of land, rehabilitation of TCs have been completed, a referanda can be held.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Then after 5 years, referenda will be held for both communities.
The choice will be:
1) RoC
2) 18% - 82% partition.

Why wait 5 years? lets do it next month.

Can anyone enlighten me about the commom land we jointly had pre 1974?
Was it 35%? dont we have any rights over this land????

[insan]

Piratis

Then after 5 years, referenda will be held for both communities.
The choice will be:
1) RoC
2) 18% - 82% partition.

Why wait 5 years? lets do it next month.

Can anyone enlighten me about the commom land we jointly had pre 1974?
Was it 35%? dont we have any rights over this land????

%70 of %35 = %20

%82+%20 = %102

That's why viewpoint.

[Viewpoint]

So Insan the 18% 82% split includes common land??? am i right??? Does anyone know the real figures or are we just guessing, are there any reliable web sites I could visit to research somemore.

[Piratis]

I believe the formula is very simple:

The TCs that want can try to live in RoC (with their rights, land etc), and RoC will be again a bicommunal state.
Then after a period of 5 years people can decide if they want to live together or separately.

Why wait 5 years? lets do it next month.

The 5 years are needed for two reasons:

1) The communities will have the chance to live together again in RoC. So we are giving a chance to unification.

2) If we do it next month, then immediately after the referenda TCs will get their state, but GCs will not get their land. Who knows how many years, if ever, Turkey will return that land. Insan said it is needed 20 years. If TCs have no reason to rush, it might take them 100.
However, with the way I propose it, the 5 year trail period will start after the land is returned to RoC and TCs keep 18%. This way, TCs will have a motive for returning the land as fast as possible.

%18 of occupied land can only be returned gradually.

Ok. When the land is returned, then the 5 years count down will start. This means if you can return it in 2 years, you can have the choice to get an independent state in 7 years etc.

First of all will GC administration pay the compensation of the heavily invested lands and properties?

You will take 18%. If the value of something that you live behind is higher than what you get, then you can get compensation. In that case though, Turkey will have to give to us compensation for having to rebuild all those things after 74.

[insan]

So Insan the 18% 82% split includes common land??? am i right??? Does anyone know the real figures or are we just guessing, are there any reliable web sites I could visit to research somemore.

Viewpoint, please visit www.cyprus-conflict.net and read Makarios-Denktash talks. In 1977 they discussed land ownership, return of GC refugees and administrative boundaries of Federal State. Also have a look at 1977 Summit Agreements that contains the basic principles of land ownership.

[Viewpoint]

Greatly appreciated Insan.

[magikthrill]

I found the following segement from the talks quite funny:

a. Freedom of movement? A. Accepted. To a question by His Beatitude if Mr .Denktash meant that the citizens would be free, like tourists, to travel and look at their properties Denktash replied "Of course not, but this belongs to another category of issues."

b. Right to property? A. Accepted.

c. Right of Settlement? A. Agreed. But not such so that the purpose of the federation would be lost.

d. Right of refugees to return to their homes? A. This is open to discussion. In any event it is impossible that all refugees will return.

e. Right to work? A. Acceptable.

f. Right to reside? Depends on the overall agreement to be reached.

The same questions and answers we all give to this post. That is why there is still no damn solution!!!!

(ANd to relate this post to the thread)Maybe this is why piratis proposal could work. So people can experience an existing bicommunal government before any new laws are added.

However if TCs decide they want the island united the inital 30% of gov't jobs and 40% of police could be added to the constitution.