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[phoenix]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

Your definition applies to anyone who subscribes to the Orthodox/Catholic/Islamic etc. etc. faiths all around the world..... whilst i do not belong to any of these groups myself, it is unfair to insinuate hatred against a population based on their reverence of a non-living alpha male...... most of the world unfortunately does so with the full encouragement/blessing of their respective states

I'm not insinuating hatred against a population at all (I am merely interested in how the Human mind works, not merely judging) . . . . just presented some facts from a book and some psychology experiments . . . the formulation of an opinion of hatred has come from your psyche not mine.

But you have correctly attributed these kind of reactions of extreme reverence, to those akin to religion. Hence worrying.

So well done we have reached the same conclusion on how pagan something like this adulation is.

[Eric dayi]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

Your definition applies to anyone who subscribes to the Orthodox/Catholic/Islamic etc. etc. faiths all around the world..... whilst i do not belong to any of these groups myself, it is unfair to insinuate hatred against a population based on their reverence of a non-living alpha male...... most of the world unfortunately does so with the full encouragement/blessing of their respective states

I'm not insinuating hatred against a population at all (I am merely interested in how the Human mind works, not merely judging) . . . . just presented some facts from a book and some psychology experiments . . . the formulation of an opinion of hatred has come from your psyche not mine.

But you have correctly attributed these kind of reactions of extreme reverence, to those akin to religion. Hence worrying.

So well done we have reached the same conclusion on how pagan something like this adulation is.

Yes, I remember a religious man of God (supposed to be anyway) heading a bunch of murdering ENOSIS seeking EOKA terrorists, think his name was Makarios. He blessed the murdering EOKA swine with the blood of innocent Turkish Cypriot men, women, children and even babies. And now the island is divided and no one is the "master" of the whole island but at least there is peace on the island and no innocent TC people have been murdered or buried alive their hands tied to their backs with barbed wire.

Peace is a wonderful thing and only partition has accomplished this peace, let's keep it that way.

[phoenix]

State "baboonery" exploits the weakness of the type of people that need to feel they belong in a social hierarchy with an "alpha" male to revere.

The psychotic aspect is that the man is dead, yet still commands this type of idolatry to the Turks.

There is a well known phenomenon which describes the sort of people that can be made to believe the presence and influence of something that is clearly not there.

It has been observed in a proportion of the population which still insists they can feel a long-ago severed limb. They feel it itch as if it was still attached. These sorts of people are also found to be fanatics for a number of other attributes like religion. Also they lack free will.

I am also reminded of a book I read when I was a teenager, "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. I think it was written in the 20's or 30's. The dystopia Huxley described was partly created by control over the people's minds through a process of Pavlovian conditioning and brainwashing.

The most worrying aspect is that there are so many of these types of non-questioning, socially primeval people. It encapsulates how different this mentality is to the progressive man, who is mature enough to take responsibility for his actions.

Your definition applies to anyone who subscribes to the Orthodox/Catholic/Islamic etc. etc. faiths all around the world..... whilst i do not belong to any of these groups myself, it is unfair to insinuate hatred against a population based on their reverence of a non-living alpha male...... most of the world unfortunately does so with the full encouragement/blessing of their respective states

I'm not insinuating hatred against a population at all (I am merely interested in how the Human mind works, not merely judging) . . . . just presented some facts from a book and some psychology experiments . . . the formulation of an opinion of hatred has come from your psyche not mine.

But you have correctly attributed these kind of reactions of extreme reverence, to those akin to religion. Hence worrying.

So well done we have reached the same conclusion on how pagan something like this adulation is.

Yes, I remember a religious man of God (supposed to be anyway) heading a bunch of murdering ENOSIS seeking EOKA terrorists, think his name was Makarios. He blessed the murdering EOKA swine with the blood of innocent Turkish Cypriot men, women, children and even babies. And now the island is divided and no one is the "master" of the whole island but at least there is peace on the island and no innocent TC people have been murdered or buried alive their hands tied to their backs with barbed wire.

Peace is a wonderful thing and only partition has accomplished this peace, let's keep it that way.

. . . . is that your sermon for today?

It's about as accurate as any I have heard . . . . . (Fiction springs to mind)

[shahmaran]

Well kind of balances your claims as well, Phoenix is seriously in denial about the doings of her part, somehow she only remembers the Turkish bombings and you would never get her to comment on the massacres of the GCs.

Come on Phoenix, lets hear your professional scientific reasoning of the massacred TC villages, what kind of a psychology or genetic interest would take for people to execute 100s of women and children and bury them in mass graves with bulldozers, i would really like to know.

[phoenix]

Well kind of balances your claims as well, Phoenix is seriously in denial about the doings of her part, somehow she only remembers the Turkish bombings and you would never get her to comment on the massacres of the GCs.

Come on Phoenix, lets hear your professional scientific reasoning of the massacred TC villages, what kind of a psychology or genetic interest would take for people to execute 100s of women and children and bury them in mass graves with bulldozers, i would really like to know.

I've never disputed that killings occured between both communities, however slanted they have been in numbers, with as you know, the greater losses by the GCs.

So let's see you tell us you acknowledge you have slaughtered thousands more GCs . . .

If those few crimes by the GCs to the TCs matter so much to you (and I respect they do), then do you accept why we would feel more aggrieved having endured greater losses at your hands?

Bearing in mind cause and effect . . . . none of these crimes would have taken place if you had not invaded Cyprus in the very first place and then we would not have been put in a situation of having to fight for our own survival in our own country.

( BTW Shah . . . please don't go off in a rant of personal abuses because I am frankly too busy to respond to inane non-comments which provide no mental stimulation . . . thank you )

[denizaksulu]

Well kind of balances your claims as well, Phoenix is seriously in denial about the doings of her part, somehow she only remembers the Turkish bombings and you would never get her to comment on the massacres of the GCs.

Come on Phoenix, lets hear your professional scientific reasoning of the massacred TC villages, what kind of a psychology or genetic interest would take for people to execute 100s of women and children and bury them in mass graves with bulldozers, i would really like to know.

Come on Shahmaran, the lady has her own credibility to think of. Her life only began when she was 'napalmed'. Nothing else matters.

As for Mustafa Kemal, he was a great Military and Political Leader for his people. If people will 'adore' him that is their prerogative. Greeks understand this more than GCs. The only reason the GCs will pick on M. Kemal, is that its the only way they think they can get under TCs skin. I can not see any link with Kemalism of today to the Cyprus Problem. This is a red-herring thrown in just for the sake of it.

M. Kemals' one failure was to be duped by the allies in 1923, at Lausanne, to relnquish Cyprus to the British. The GCs should be grateful for this. Then they would have found themselves on the receiving end of the subsequent 'Population Exchange's.

[shahmaran]

To be honest i couldn't care less about what the GC's think of Ataturk, the best they have ever seen was a religious paedophile called Makarios who was a failure to his own country, and they have no ground to stand on to be insulting the man who literally built Turkey from scratch, brought secularism and democracy single handed which the world applauded the man for everything he had done, so what the GCs think of him means absolutely nothing!

Phoenix i did not insult you, show me where i have insulted you, what i said is a fact that i have asked you many times before what you think of the mass murders of women and children by the retreating GCs (which is very typical of Greeks, as they have done in Izmir and everywhere else), this shows nothing but absolute hatred towards Turks, and that they will murder every single one at any given chance. I know from my family that mass graves were already dug and prepared around my village Lefke and buses full of GC's had arrived to the town center calling for all TC to gather around for a "peaceful" talk. This was one last desperate attempt (just like Hitler did) to exterminate as many TCs as possible when defeat became prominent. This is not "defence".

But if Turkey had not intervened, Phoenix, how much longer did you expect the TC's to live in the conditions that they did? There is no doubt that every single one of us was would have been butchered if left at the mercy of your people any longer. So please, what do you think about all this, can you give us some scientific explanation, as you love doing so much when you want to insult and entire nation, use your skills for some objective outlook on the matter and enlighten us by expanding this "cause and effect" theory.