The 100's of villages that were burned down
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| Tim Drayton |
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| zan wrote: |
Whose land are these buildings on....Anyone know????
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Refugee faces eviction from Limassol home
By Anna Hassapi
Lost housing rights after accepting £750 from state
GREEK CYPRIOT refugee, Andreas Theodorou, is up in arms after being told to vacate his residence at Linopetra refugee estate in Limassol, where he has been staying since 1976.
The decision to expel Theodorou was made after the death of his elderly mother, with whom the 44-year-old man had been living, on the pretext that he lost the right to housing aid when he accepted £750 from the state in 1992.
“Under no circumstances can I accept this unfair treatment against me, as I am essentially trapped because of a ridiculous amount, in my opinion, which I accepted as a gift without knowing the legal bearing of my action. [As a result] I lost my right to the house, which I believe the state should grant me,” Theodorou said.
According to the relevant law, each refugee is entitled to housing aid only once and thus Theodorou is not entitled to anything after getting the £750 in 1992. Had he not received this amount from the state, then he would have been entitled to inheriting his mother’s house, as all his siblings have received housing aid and have moved elsewhere.
The 44-year-old challenges the validity of the state’s interpretation of the law for three main reasons: he was not aware that by accepting the £750 he would lose the right to claim his mother’s house; the amount is trivial compared to the average housing aid received by Greek Cypriot refugees, and the £750 was put towards a second toilet in the house for his sick mother and not to buy a house.
“Anytime they ask me, I am willing to return the £750 plus all interest in order to have the right to stay in the refugee house where I grew up,” Theodorou added.
After he was asked to leave the house, Theodorou sent a letter to the Interior Ministry, explaining his situation and asking that his case is reviewed.
The Ministry replied that as he had accepted housing aid in 1992 he cannot be entitled to the house. The state also refused to consider Theodorou’s suggestion of returning the money in exchange for the house. Following the man’s refusal to vacate the house the state has set a Court date for January 20.
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You are getting desperate, Zan. You have already started a thread with this, and now you post it here as well. Is the material starting to run thin? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:58 pm |
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| samarkeolog |
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I can't write much at the moment - I'm really far behind with my work - but I thought I should correct myself and add some information. There were not only false flag operations and misled locals' angry riots. There were planned campaigns by EOKA and TMT.
Of course, in the summer of 1958, hundreds of Greek Cypriot families were expelled from their homes in Omorphita/Küçük Kaymaklı, as hundreds of Turkish Cypriot families fled from their villages/neighbourhoods. There had been 1,123 Greek Cypriots in Omorphita (I don't know if any stayed.) When they left, Turkish Cypriots took their homes.
It's a bit difficult to say how many Turkish Cypriots left their homes during the same period of intercommunal violence - it could be anywhere between 1,000 and 2,500 or more from probably 22 villages (but possibly 44). But Keith Kyle said that '[m]any Turkish [Cypriot] villages were burned'. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:44 pm |
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With reference to the claim that 8,357 Turkish Cypriot owned plots have been built on without the permission of the owner, this seems to tally with the information in the following quote (dated 2000):
https://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cmnews/2000/00-07-13.cmnews.html
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SOME 8,000 refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land must be abandoned in the next 10 years because the government cannot legally grant title to them, the House Refugee Committee heard yesterday.
The issue was raised during a Committee discussion on granting ownership titles to refugees living in government-build refugee estates.
The Interior Ministry reiterated it would not issue ownership titles to residents of refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land or on plots partly owned by Turkish Cypriots. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:07 pm |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
With reference to the claim that 8,357 Turkish Cypriot owned plots have been built on without the permission of the owner, this seems to tally with the information in the following quote (dated 2000):
https://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cmnews/2000/00-07-13.cmnews.html
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SOME 8,000 refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land must be abandoned in the next 10 years because the government cannot legally grant title to them, the House Refugee Committee heard yesterday.
The issue was raised during a Committee discussion on granting ownership titles to refugees living in government-build refugee estates.
The Interior Ministry reiterated it would not issue ownership titles to residents of refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land or on plots partly owned by Turkish Cypriots. |
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Its a bummer when you're a country that follows the law ain't it? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:50 pm |
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| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
With reference to the claim that 8,357 Turkish Cypriot owned plots have been built on without the permission of the owner, this seems to tally with the information in the following quote (dated 2000):
https://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cmnews/2000/00-07-13.cmnews.html
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SOME 8,000 refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land must be abandoned in the next 10 years because the government cannot legally grant title to them, the House Refugee Committee heard yesterday.
The issue was raised during a Committee discussion on granting ownership titles to refugees living in government-build refugee estates.
The Interior Ministry reiterated it would not issue ownership titles to residents of refugee homes built on Turkish Cypriot land or on plots partly owned by Turkish Cypriots. |
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Its a bummer when you're a country that follows the law ain't it? |
Laws passed by a hookey "RoC"....With a stolen government.....   |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:49 pm |
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| OK then, which ones were burnt down? Can you give a list? |
As we've been through before, Patrick (1976: 78; 79) said that '[m]ost of the abandoned villages and quarters were ransacked and even burned by Greek-Cypriots', 'the abandoned homes were looted and often burned-out ruins', but didn't say which or where...
There is a very strange, unsatisfactory way of identifying places that were damaged, and that's finding buildings that were (claimed to have been) repaired by the Greek Cypriot administration. It doesn't show the total number of damaged or destroyed buildings, or the total number of damaged or destroyed villages. There were 45 homes in Potamia, 30 in Nisou (Patrick, 1976: 283); 17 in Peristerona-Lefkosias, 54 in Skylloura and 8 in Agios Vasilios, but actually, both of those and Akaki, Arediou, Argaki, Agia Marina, Kato Deftera, Deneia, Dhyo Potami, Agioi Eliophotes, Orounda and Pano Koutraphas were 'abandoned and in ruins' (Patrick, 1976: 285), 1 home in either Neochorio, or Palaekythro, or Vitsada (Patrick, 1976: 289-290); 6 in Pano Lefkara (Patrick, 1976: 302); 1 in Asomatos (Patrick, 1976: 305); 103 in Mallia, 2 in Kilani, and 2 homes, 1 school and 1 mosque in Silikou (Patrick, 1976: 308). 1 school and 1 mosque in Pitargou (Patrick, 1976: 312). 'At Kithasi, the Christian Aid group rebuilt a number of damaged houses' (Patrick, 1976: 312). That totals 272 buildings - 268 homes, 2 schools and 2 mosques - in 23 villages.
Yet in Report S/5950, the United Nations Security Council (1964: 48 - para. 180) stated that 'in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting', so a lot more villages than Patrick named must also have had damaged and destroyed homes, and that was only up to September 1964. (So by 1967, 1974, 1976, or later, there would have been many, many more damaged and destroyed places.)
(Apart from the villages, Patrick only said that '[m]uch of the quarter [of Ktima] has been vacated and stands in ruins' (Patrick, 1976: 310). The UNSC (1964: 48 - para. 180) clarified that, in Ktima, '38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially', and also noted that in Omorphita, '50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs'.)
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Richard Patrick's list is in your own words a "list of villages abandoned by Turkish Cypriots in 1963-1964". Even this statement is misleading because a great many of the villages listed were mixed. |
Yes, sorry, I forgot to write out "villages and neighbourhoods" every single time I said anything. I assumed it was clear from everything else I said.
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| I have checked the link you have quoted above (essentially it is the same story that I posted earlier, but taken from the TRNC Information Office's website). |
Yeah, I have two links for it, but I used the TRNC PIO one, because it's a permanent address.
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Güney Kıbrıs’ta yok edilen Türk köyleri şunlar:
[These are the destroyed Turkish villages in South Cyprus]
I am sorry, but I beg to differ as to the meaning of the Turkish expression "yok etmek". The definition of this expression given in the Turkish Language Institute dictionary is "varlığına son vermek, ortadan kaldırmak, ifna etmek, izale etmek". It is clear to me that this means "destroy" and refers to a deliberate wilful act. You seem to be confusing "yok etmek" with "yok olmak". |
I don't think so. As far as I know, the difference between "yok etmek" and "yok olmak" is the difference between an action and a state of being, like a verb and an adjective. Once a place has been emptied/destroyed (yok edildi), it is an emptied/destroyed place (yok oldu).
I think the question is whether "a village" is "the people in a place" or "the buildings in a place". So, when some Turkish Cypriot villages were evacuated, they gave their southern village name to their northern village, because it wasn't just the people, but the village that had moved. Similarly, then, Erçakıca might - might - have meant that the human community had been ethnically cleansed or evacuated (or, yes, destroyed). Still, I did say I thought he was just being lazy and I do agree that it harms his credibility.
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| About five miles from where I live is the old abandoned village of Mathikoloni (there is a new Mathikoloni village about a mile away). It is in ruins. Before you start jumping to any conclusions, this was a 100% Greek Cypriot village. That's what happens to traditional Cypriot villages if they are abandoned. They gradually fall into a pile of rubble. |
Yeah, I remember going to a village that had been abandoned for economic reasons and thinking that it was a different village evacuated because of the conflict. But I had missed the one I was trying to find because it had been so completely destroyed.
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| Do exaggerated and inflammatory claims of this nature help or hinder the process of peace and reconciliation in Cyprus? |
Of course, mistaken or malicious claims hinder peace and reconciliation. This is one of the reasons I'm trying to get solid information on churches, mosques and villages all together in one place.
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
If I may quote from you post on Dec 28 6:45 pm on this very thread:
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| Certainly, the Turkish Cypriot homes of Agioi Eliophotes/Alifodez, Agios Epiphanios-Soleas/Aybifan, Arediou/Aredyu and Pano Koutraphas/Yukari Kurtbogan were destroyed in 1964 or 1974 |
you yourself are supporting my claim i.e. it was the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Agios Epiphanios that was destroyed and not the whole village. |
I just said homes, rather than the village of A, the village of B, the neighbourhood of C, the village of D. The village of Agioi Eliophotes was destroyed - except for the church. The village of Agios Epiphanios-Soleas was destroyed. If there is a Greek Cypriot neighbourhood of Agios Epiphanios that I don't know of, please, tell me. Patrick (1976: 318) recorded it as completely abandoned. The only buildings I could see were the church and the National Guard post - and the ruins of the Turkish Cypriot homes underneath. The village of Pano Koutraphas was destroyed. The Turkish Cypriot neighbourhood of Arediou was damaged or destroyed (or bought by Greek Cypriots for veeery little money from their Turkish Cypriot refugee owners...).
(As for a lack of a list of names, etc., has the Greek Cypriot Administration or Church published the complete list of 520 converted, damaged or destroyed sites in the North? It should give the same amount of evidence as it asks from everyone else.)
But, to close, I would remind the people who are going on and on and on about the fact that there were not hundreds of destroyed Turkish Cypriot villages, that there were nearly a hundred. That is true and that is dreadful. |
During our transmission field measurements I witness one of the abandoned villages in North . The village called Arıdamı (Artemi) . the village was tottaly destroyed between 1963-1974 . The people of this village were gone to Gönendere (Knodara,Kounetra) when the 1963 conflict started .After 74 when they return back to their village there was no such a place .
You can see only name of this place in the map but you can not find it .
during the field measurment we were following the map and road signs to go to villages and do our field measurment . we found the village sign , we went that direction , we got lost in the field . we return back to main road again and went trough the village called Mallıdağ (Melunda ,Melounta) to do our field test . we asked the locals how we can go to Artemi , They said Artemi is razed off from the her place only we can see some ruins and old cemetery .... It was true what we have seen .
properly in may we will go around that area aGAİN .This time i will take pictures of the place and put it in the forum or any one that does not belive can drive their . |
here is the totally destroyed TC village Arıdamı (Artemi) before 1974. it is taken by our friends ....
1960 population was 168 TC AND NONE GC. |
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| here is the totally destroyed TC village Arıdamı (Artemi) before 1974. it is taken by our friends .... |
Who destroyed it and when Halil?  |
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| who destroyed it? its called weather dude. Life falls apart idf left for 40 years! |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:17 am |
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| thevoo wrote: |
| who destroyed it? its called weather dude. Life falls apart idf left for 40 years! |
Especially when the roofs, doors and windows are stripped off by thieves  |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:31 am |
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| YFred wrote: |
| thevoo wrote: |
| who destroyed it? its called weather dude. Life falls apart idf left for 40 years! |
Especially when the roofs, doors and windows are stripped off by thieves |
Yes, this is much worse than the "caretaker" turk residents of Greek Cypriot property in the north. |
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