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Well Done President Christofias!

Postby Andros » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:24 pm

Well done President Christofias!

Are we better off with Christofias than we were with Papadopoulos? In my view, is the real question! Well, in terms of seeking a “Pure” federal republic by openly declaring that we (Greek Cypriots) will never accept a solution with no Turkish Guarantor ship, the complete return of all non-Cypriot people to Turkey and no inter-states or borders (like no Cantons, Constituent States or Component states like in the Annan Plan) is a very commendable start to his presidency.

However, and as I have said in the past, it is Turkey who will never accept a Cyprus resolution that does not, at the very least, contain what the Annan Plan 5 had in 2004.

This, I know for certain. So, what do we have after all of the cheering and harsh words against perhaps the only president that truly stood our ground? Although Christofias passionately believes in a “Pure” federal republic only, unfortunately, his methods will surely condemn us to sheer humiliation in front of the international community.

In my opinion, he should honestly say, when he meets Turkish Cypriot leader Talat from day one, that the Annan Plan is history, will NOT and can not be a basis of negotiation, and we (Greek Cypriots) will not accept the dissolution of a fully functioning Republic of Cyprus (accepted by the EU) state! I wonder how the talks will go from there? And, I wonder which court the ball will really be in if Talat should refuse this foundation?

Therefore, I believe the choice is simple – It is either a “Pure” Federal republic with no hold barred, or a clean split!

Does anyone think I am being unrealistic?
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Postby BC Numismatics » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:32 pm

Andros,Turkey is NOT a guarantor power at all,but an illegal occupying power that happens to be occupying an E.U. member state that is also a British Commonwealth member state.

The only true friend that Cyprus has these days is not Greece,but Great Britain,as the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri & Dhekelia have made a big contribution to the Cypriot economy by employing native Cypriots to work in the S.B.A.s,& giving them British citizenship as well.

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Re: Well Done President Christofias!

Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:50 pm

Andros wrote:However, and as I have said in the past, it is Turkey who will never accept a Cyprus resolution that does not, at the very least, contain what the Annan Plan 5 had in 2004.

This, I know for certain.


.... Andros, welcome back! ... hope your leg is tip-top! :D

How do you know Turkey's wishes with such certainty?

... are you in the Turkish government?

Why are you imparting information about what the Turkish Government wants?

.... are you their spokesperson? :?

Does anyone care anymore what the Turkish Government want?

.... is it in any position to make any such demands?

Andros .... please do not worry your pretty little head, what Turkey wants or demands ... the time for such petulance has been and gone!

Turkey is no more.

We work with Laws and Rights nowadays ..... not wants and demands ....

Get it!
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Postby Andros » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:56 pm

I agree with the Turkish part, but the British part is questionable.

Perhaps similarly to President Christofias, I would actually agree to the British bases being removed and the land that they presently occupy being incorporated with the future federal state. We can't tell Turkey one thing, and then adopt another policy towards the British bases. In my view, I believe that the British bases, or at least its purpose, have gone past its sale by date. It may have be a good idea in the 1960s and etc, but not now that we are all part of the EU. Why not also give Brussels a small military part as well while we are at it!

I truly think its about time that the British realisted that the island is a "member" country of the EU, and not a military stop over at its convenience. They occupy a huge amount of land in Cyprus, where I believe that land could be put to much better use by the citizens of the Republic of Cyprus.

The British are just playing bad hypocritical politics with the government of another EU member state. It's about time we stood by our guns this time! Perhaps President Christofias' liberal, socialist outlook will persuade those in the EU to see things our way - and not the British imperialist way. We are a "Republic" state, NOT a “Monarchy”!

Thank you.

P.s - Clearly the British are now scared that Christofias will ultimately gather enough support to remove them from Cyprus, thus why it is important for Christofias to stand his ground against them - no matter how much money the offer us this time!
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Postby BC Numismatics » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:02 pm

Andros,the Sovereign Base Areas are legally established under the terms of the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.Of course,Cyprus is a republic.The S.B.A.s aren't a monarchy,but 2 British colonies that are under a common British military administration,whose Administrator is formally appointed by Her Majesty,Queen Elizabeth II.

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Postby Andros » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:03 pm

Oracle,

I liked your posting - thank you.

I thought this forum was about "Ideas". I wish I was those thing you said, at least we'd have somewhere concrete to start from. Unfortunately, my idea of being "Certain" is my own assumption - only because I am probably a lot older than you and have been in the Cyprus political game for many, many years. I know the way the Turks and British think when it come to Cyprus, and I believe I know what games they have played in the past!

Let's hope that your skills as the "Oracle" can perhaps work out if will be able to politically beat Turkey on the Cyprus problem with President Christofias as our head!
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Postby miltiades » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:46 pm

BC Numismatics wrote:Andros,the Sovereign Base Areas are legally established under the terms of the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.Of course,Cyprus is a republic.The S.B.A.s aren't a monarchy,but 2 British colonies that are under a common British military administration,whose Administrator is formally appointed by Her Majesty,Queen Elizabeth II.

Aidan.

Aidan , as an ardent supporter of Britain and British interests let me say that Britain lost the legality of having two British bases in Cyprus in 1974 when she ignored another legality that of a guarantor of Cyprus's independence , also the mere fact that the rent that Britain is withholding is reason enough to say that British bases in Cyprus are illegal.
I want the British to remain in Cyprus , but I want Britain and our British incompetent money grabbing , expense cheating politicians to act honourably , put pressure on Turkey to begin the withdrawal of the troops , take an active part as a guarantor power to bring to an end the Cyprus problem. It seems to me that the British utterly incompetent politicians are far too bloody busy enacting laws on how to fleece the public of more money while at the same time increasing their rich status by conning the tax payer.
Let us see an honourable action by the right honorable embezzlers of public funds then we can decide on the validity of the British bases.
The British public are constantly fed with lies by those elected. The truth is all politicians in the UK are in it for what they can get , every single bloody benefit and these greedy bastards are first in the Que.
Now , should the Cyprus government ask the British to surrender their bases ? Most certainly NOT . But ask for the rent and make a bloody big fuss about it .
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Postby miltiades » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:52 pm

Andros wrote:Oracle,

I liked your posting - thank you.

I thought this forum was about "Ideas". I wish I was those thing you said, at least we'd have somewhere concrete to start from. Unfortunately, my idea of being "Certain" is my own assumption - only because I am probably a lot older than you and have been in the Cyprus political game for many, many years. I know the way the Turks and British think when it come to Cyprus, and I believe I know what games they have played in the past!

Let's hope that your skills as the "Oracle" can perhaps work out if will be able to politically beat Turkey on the Cyprus problem with President Christofias as our head!

You dont come across as a man over 75 mate !!!
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Postby BC Numismatics » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:09 pm

miltiades wrote:
BC Numismatics wrote:Andros,the Sovereign Base Areas are legally established under the terms of the Cyprus Independence Agreement of 1959.Of course,Cyprus is a republic.The S.B.A.s aren't a monarchy,but 2 British colonies that are under a common British military administration,whose Administrator is formally appointed by Her Majesty,Queen Elizabeth II.

Aidan.

Aidan , as an ardent supporter of Britain and British interests let me say that Britain lost the legality of having two British bases in Cyprus in 1974 when she ignored another legality that of a guarantor of Cyprus's independence , also the mere fact that the rent that Britain is withholding is reason enough to say that British bases in Cyprus are illegal.
I want the British to remain in Cyprus , but I want Britain and our British incompetent money grabbing , expense cheating politicians to act honourably , put pressure on Turkey to begin the withdrawal of the troops , take an active part as a guarantor power to bring to an end the Cyprus problem. It seems to me that the British utterly incompetent politicians are far too bloody busy enacting laws on how to fleece the public of more money while at the same time increasing their rich status by conning the tax payer.
Let us see an honourable action by the right honorable embezzlers of public funds then we can decide on the validity of the British bases.
The British public are constantly fed with lies by those elected. The truth is all politicians in the UK are in it for what they can get , every single bloody benefit and these greedy bastards are first in the Que.
Now , should the Cyprus government ask the British to surrender their bases ? Most certainly NOT . But ask for the rent and make a bloody big fuss about it .


Miltiades,I can understand where you are coming from.In 1974,the British Government were too busy trying to force Ian Smith of Rhodesia into a position that would have sold Rhodesia out earlier than 1980.

You are right to say the the Cypriot Government should ask the British Government to pay the rent that they owe for the 2 S.B.A.s.In fact,I reckon that the British Government should actually BUY the 2 S.B.A.s off the Cypriot Government.

You're right about the British politicians being greedy as well as corrupt,as we have the same problem over here in New Zealand,but there is also a racialist aspect added to this.The Liebour Party over here are crooks,as are the politicians in the other parties.The so-called 'Maori Party' are subhuman scum who advocate apartheid,& are very palsy with the gangs (the same subhumans who deal in drugs such as methamphetamine & marijuana,& commit some of the worst crimes).

The New Zealand legal system is now a sick joke,as the politicians voted to do away with appeals to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in 2003,& didn't bother consulting us,the people at all.A majority of New Zealanders actually hate the idea of a banana 'Supreme Court',as it isn't independent like the Privy Council is.There are still a few older cases that are being appealed to the Privy Council.

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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:14 pm

miltiades wrote:
Andros wrote:Oracle,

I liked your posting - thank you.

I thought this forum was about "Ideas". I wish I was those thing you said, at least we'd have somewhere concrete to start from. Unfortunately, my idea of being "Certain" is my own assumption - only because I am probably a lot older than you and have been in the Cyprus political game for many, many years. I know the way the Turks and British think when it come to Cyprus, and I believe I know what games they have played in the past!

Let's hope that your skills as the "Oracle" can perhaps work out if will be able to politically beat Turkey on the Cyprus problem with President Christofias as our head!

You dont come across as a man over 75 mate !!!


Miltiades.. you are over a dozen years older than me ...

Stop playing silly buggers ... or I may have to challenge you to some death-defying stunts! :lol:
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