Why didn't they ask the TCs?
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| Nurgary wrote: |
Hi Iceman - I agree with you totally that no rental document was ever signed and that not even mentioned in the treaty. However, on this and many other forums the GC's keep on saying for some reason that rent is owed. Just wanted them to provide a reference (Not one).
Whatever they say - SBA's will be HMG until they decide to gift them. |
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| Cyprus has occasionally demanded the return of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, citing that the bases take up a large amount of territory that could be used for civilian development. For 4 years after Cypriot independence in 1960, the British government paid the Republic of Cyprus rent for the bases. After the intercommunal conflict of 1963-64 they stopped, claiming there was no guarantee that both communities would benefit equally from that money. The Cypriot government is still claiming money for the years from 1964 to now. Estimates for this range from several hundred thousand to over one billion Euros. |
Another reason why it benefited Britain to divide and rule ... Turks get something, UK gets something ... partners in crime ...
Legally because the UK paid rent ... it has to continue to do so unless a new (Tenancy) agreement is signed ...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Cyprus/Geo/AkrotiriAndDhekelia.html
It will pay up eventually ..... with interest  |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:35 pm |
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| And pigs will fly.With all your experience of the UK,you have learnt nothing.. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:51 pm |
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What legal document was signed - NONE. The only money paid was under Appendix R of the treaty below - looks like the £3m is owed for 64/65 only.
The Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland shall pay to the Government of the Republic of Cyprus, by way of grant, the sum of £12 million during the period of five years ending on the 31st March, 1965. This sum shall be made available as follows:-
In the financial year ending on the 31st March, 1961, £4,000,000.
In the financial year ending on the 31st March, 1962, £3,000,000.
In the financial year ending on the 31st March, 1963, £2,000,000.
In the financial year ending on the 31st March, 1964, £1,500,000.
In the financial year ending on the 31st March, 1965, £1,500,000.
(b) In addition to the sum of £12 million mentioned in subparagraph (a) above, the Government of the United Kingdom shall
(i) pay to the Government of the Republic, by way of grant, the sum of £500,000 towards the construction of a new Civil Air Terminal at Nicosia Airport;
(ii) pay to the Government of the Republic, by way of grant, a sum not exceeding £500,000, to be paid in accordance with detailed arrangements to be agreed within the principles set out in the Schedule hereto, for inhabitants of Akrotiri who desire to leave Akrotiri and settle within the territory of the Republic of Cyprus;
(iii) pay to the Government of the Republic, by way of grant, a sum no. exceeding £340,000 towards the cost of constructing roads within the territory of the Republic for the purpose of bypassing the Ayios Nikolaos region of the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area; and
(iv) on a request by the Government of the Republic for financial assistance towards an extension of the electricity supply in the Island of Cyprus, make a loan in an amount and on terms to be agreed between the two Governments, such terms to be comparable to those generally applicable at the time to loans being made by the Government of the United Kingdom to independent member countries of the Commonwealth.
(c) Within the period of six months immediately before the 31st March, 1965, and before the end of each succeeding period of five years, the Government of the United Kingdom shall review, in consultation with the Government of the Republic, the provisions of subparagraph (a) of this paragraph and, taking all factors into account, including the financial requirements of the Government of the Republic, shall, after full consultation with the Government of the Republic, determine the amount of financial aid to be provided to that Government in the following period of five years.
(d) Except as may be provided in the abovementioned Treaty or as may today otherwise have been agreed and recorded between us, the Government of the Republic shall not make any claims against the Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the United Kingdom shall not make any claims against the Government of the Republic arising or purporting to arise out of or in connexion with either the administration of Cyprus or the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus.
2. I have the honour to suggest that, if the above arrangements are acceptable to the Government of the Republic, this Note, together with your reply to that effect, shall constitute an agreement in this matter between the Government of the United Kingdom and the Government of the Republic which shall enter into force on today's date.
B.-Reply by Archbishop Makarios and Dr. Kutchuk
Your Excellency,
We have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your Note of today's date which reads as follows:-
[text as above]
2. The proposals set out in that Note are acceptable to the Government of the Republic of Cyprus and we have the honour therefore to confirm that your Note, together with this reply, shall constitute an agreement accordingly.
SCHEDULE
The following are the principles referred to in paragraph 1 (b) (ii) of this Note:-
(a) resettlement will not be compulsory;
(b) there will be no organised resettlement of the whole community;
resettlement will be carried out on a voluntary and individual basis;
(c) those who leave will keep their agricultural land and other property;
(d) those who leave will not be allowed to return to their houses for permanent residence;
(e) the Republic will be responsible for administering the resettlement scheme;
(f) payments by the Government of the United Kingdom will not exceed expenditure incurred under
the resettlement scheme;
(g) applications for a resettlement grant will be considered only if made within one year from today's date;
(h) villagers will be eligible for a resettlement grant only if on moving into the Republic they have no
nationality other than that of the Republic. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:11 pm |
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| Nurgary wrote: |
Hi Iceman - I agree with you totally that no rental document was ever signed and that not even mentioned in the treaty. However, on this and many other forums the GC's keep on saying for some reason that rent is owed. Just wanted them to provide a reference (Not one).
Whatever they say - SBA's will be HMG until they decide to gift them. |
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| Cyprus has occasionally demanded the return of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, citing that the bases take up a large amount of territory that could be used for civilian development. For 4 years after Cypriot independence in 1960, the British government paid the Republic of Cyprus rent for the bases. After the intercommunal conflict of 1963-64 they stopped, claiming there was no guarantee that both communities would benefit equally from that money. The Cypriot government is still claiming money for the years from 1964 to now. Estimates for this range from several hundred thousand to over one billion Euros. |
Another reason why it benefited Britain to divide and rule ... Turks get something, UK gets something ... partners in crime ...
Legally because the UK paid rent ... it has to continue to do so unless a new (Tenancy) agreement is signed ...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Cyprus/Geo/AkrotiriAndDhekelia.html
It will pay up eventually ..... with interest |
wishfull thinking but unfortunately the reference link is hardly anything to go by,certainly not an official document....A website,prepared by a GC according to his wishes...
and at the bottom of the page it has "Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/" |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:14 pm |
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| Nurgary wrote: |
| What legal document was signed - NONE. . |
..... you need a reference or link for the information in your previous post ....
You claimed :
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New to this forum - so Hi,
Have been reading some threads over last few weeks and have to post that SBA's will only be given up when HMG wants to give them up. As simple as that. I keep on hearing that HMG owes rent on them but I can't find any document that indicates that any rent for SBA;s was ever signed. I am may be wrong so I ask anybody here to give me a reference to this document. |
Methinks you were not asking out of innocent curiosity ... |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:17 pm |
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| iceman wrote: |
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| Nurgary wrote: |
Hi Iceman - I agree with you totally that no rental document was ever signed and that not even mentioned in the treaty. However, on this and many other forums the GC's keep on saying for some reason that rent is owed. Just wanted them to provide a reference (Not one).
Whatever they say - SBA's will be HMG until they decide to gift them. |
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| Cyprus has occasionally demanded the return of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, citing that the bases take up a large amount of territory that could be used for civilian development. For 4 years after Cypriot independence in 1960, the British government paid the Republic of Cyprus rent for the bases. After the intercommunal conflict of 1963-64 they stopped, claiming there was no guarantee that both communities would benefit equally from that money. The Cypriot government is still claiming money for the years from 1964 to now. Estimates for this range from several hundred thousand to over one billion Euros. |
Another reason why it benefited Britain to divide and rule ... Turks get something, UK gets something ... partners in crime ...
Legally because the UK paid rent ... it has to continue to do so unless a new (Tenancy) agreement is signed ...
http://www.mlahanas.de/Cyprus/Geo/AkrotiriAndDhekelia.html
It will pay up eventually ..... with interest |
wishfull thinking but unfortunately the reference link is hardly anything to go by,certainly not an official document....A website,prepared by a GC according to his wishes...
and at the bottom of the page it has "Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/" |
Hahahaha .. it did the job of exposing Nurgary though ... who could not wait to paste his ready-info ....
.... did you think I was going to waste time on his trivia ....  |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:23 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| Nurgary wrote: |
| What legal document was signed - NONE. . |
..... you need a reference or link for the information in your previous post ....
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here you go...An official UN document..it doesnt get any more official than this one.
http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_60000/11/17/00020824.pdf |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:26 pm |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:28 pm |
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| Yes I would have expected you to say Trivia as that was how you viewed all of the treaties signed. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:29 pm |
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| Nurgary wrote: |
| http://kypros.org/Constitution/English/ |
She can't be arsed to read the constitution M8...It doesn't suit her wishes.. |
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