Why didn't they ask the TCs?
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| When in its history has Turkey truly carried out a"peace-keeping" mission? |
Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and if you want to go back far enough, Korea. Many would add Cyprus where there has been peace for over 30 years.
 Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... mixed with a large dose of turkophobia |
So the Turkish idea of bringing peace is to exterminate opposition to its presence .....
You do not know the meaning of the term "peace-keeping" ....
A graveyard is peaceful, because all lie dead. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:25 pm |
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Why did the GCs fight Turkey???? the resistence to Turkeys help was what caused your losses, if you had of handed out roses instead of bullets and bombs you would have all been in your homes, Turkey would have resolved the consititional crisis and left. |
.... correct homes for graves!
Where is the evidence Turkey came to help the GCs fight the coupists?
Hew well-able were they to tell the coupists from the anti-coupists? ... they all spoke Greek ... so they were all fair game to Turks that hated GCs and Greeks equally.
So I do not think your average Greek-hating, brainwashed, war-fueled, semi-literate Anatolian would have stopped to check credentials before shooting.
Why did Turkey seek to enter via the Bases (request refused) if not as part of its sneaky plan to double cross its allies and take the whole island instead of its '50s declared intent of 40%?
When in its history has Turkey truly carried out a"peace-keeping" mission?
Why did it choose to endanger the TCs by turning the GCs against them with its belligerence? ... Because that would "validate" its long-held intent of seizing half the island to "hide" them in. |
What did you expect the Turkish Army to do when faced with 11 years of preparation which led to the verocity of shooting and bombs raining down on the soldiers landing on the beaches, if met with flowers they would have embraced all the people of Cyprus, but when you are met with anger and fear for your life you fight for your own and all hell breaks loose, you dug your own graves without any thought for the reprecussions of your own actions. If you play with fire you are bound to get burned. |
The 11 years of preparation was being conducted by Turkey, held in check by US and UK until 1974.
So Turkey invaded with the vile of 11 years of preparation for war, to divide Cyprus and not to bring peace, nor safety as a guarantor power.
You admitted this yourself last time I took you to task, but I see you are trying to reword it and change the facts as they were effectively countered .....  |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:31 pm |
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| Why did the GCs fight Turkey???? the resistence to Turkeys help was what caused your losses, if you had of handed out roses instead of bullets and bombs you would have all been in your homes, Turkey would have resolved the consititional crisis and left. |
These Greek Cypriots were all holding bouquets but they couldn’t reach the Turkish fighter jets dropping Napalm…
Any other smart ideas VP? |
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| When in its history has Turkey truly carried out a"peace-keeping" mission? |
Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and if you want to go back far enough, Korea. Many would add Cyprus where there has been peace for over 30 years.
Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... mixed with a large dose of turkophobia |
So the Turkish idea of bringing peace is to exterminate opposition to its presence .....
You do not know the meaning of the term "peace-keeping" ....
A graveyard is peaceful, because all lie dead. |
I thank God that you are alive. If only to prove yourself wrong. |
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| When in its history has Turkey truly carried out a"peace-keeping" mission? |
Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and if you want to go back far enough, Korea. Many would add Cyprus where there has been peace for over 30 years.
Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... mixed with a large dose of turkophobia |
So the Turkish idea of bringing peace is to exterminate opposition to its presence .....
You do not know the meaning of the term "peace-keeping" ....
A graveyard is peaceful, because all lie dead. |
Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... as we go from Torkophobia to large scale xenophobia.
Lebanon – UNFIL Contributors: Belgium, China, Croatia, Cyprus, Finland, France, FYR of Macedonia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Guatemala, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, Nepal, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Slovenia, Spain, Tanzania and Turkey.
Afghanistan – ISAF Contributors: Albania, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Macedonia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America,
Bosnia – SFOR Contributors: Albania, Austria, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America. |
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| Make a list of every country in the world.... it does not change the fact that Turkey has one of the bloodiest histories of the last Century ..... |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:20 pm |
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| Make a list of every country in the world.... it does not change the fact that Turkey has one of the bloodiest histories of the last Century ..... |
Perhaps it was because the Ottomans/Turks were at war on and off with newborn Greece, Bulgaria, Moldavia, Romania (all the Balkans) Russia, British, the Arab states, Armenians, Italians, the French, did I forget anyone? oh yes their own disaffected traitorous subjects, the Ottomans! Do you still wonder why? They all wanted a bit of the sick man of Europe. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:10 pm |
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| Make a list of every country in the world.... it does not change the fact that Turkey has one of the bloodiest histories of the last Century ..... |
Perhaps it was because the Ottomans/Turks were at war on and off with newborn Greece, Bulgaria, Moldavia, Romania (all the Balkans) Russia, British, the Arab states, Armenians, Italians, the French, did I forget anyone? oh yes their own disaffected traitorous subjects, the Ottomans! Do you still wonder why? They all wanted a bit of the sick man of Europe. |
Whereas the Turks have always identified themselves as Turks
If Greece had to be re-born it was to shake off the shackles from its enslavement by the Turks .
The label "sick man of Europe" was not given to Turkey because someone felt sorry for it being unwell ... on the contrary "sick" signified psychotic, genocidal, war-mongering ... you know, all the evils! |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:51 pm |
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| When in its history has Turkey truly carried out a"peace-keeping" mission? |
Lebanon, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and if you want to go back far enough, Korea. Many would add Cyprus where there has been peace for over 30 years.
Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... mixed with a large dose of turkophobia |
So the Turkish idea of bringing peace is to exterminate opposition to its presence .....
You do not know the meaning of the term "peace-keeping" ....
A graveyard is peaceful, because all lie dead. |
Ignorance ... ignorance ... ignorance ... as we go from Torkophobia to large scale xenophobia.
Lebanon – UNFIL Contributors: Belgium, China, Croatia, Cyprus, Finland, France, FYR of Macedonia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Guatemala, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, Nepal, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Slovenia, Spain, Tanzania and Turkey.
Afghanistan – ISAF Contributors: Albania, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Macedonia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America,
Bosnia – SFOR Contributors: Albania, Austria, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America. |
As I said ... Turkey does not know the meaning of "peace-keeping" ....
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..... with an emphasis on restraint, especially on exports to governments which violate human rights or to countries in areas of conflict. This leads CAAT to focus its campaigning on sales to particular countries, one of them being Turkey.
The leading role of the armed forces within Turkish society and government; its occupation of northern Cyprus in 1974; its long established military rivalry with Greece, notwithstanding their mutual membership of NATO; its poor record on human rights, and its harsh treatment of the Kurdish people who live within its boundaries, and, indeed, over the Iraqi border, are well documented.
Amongst the eight criteria are Criterion Two which covers "The respect of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the country of final destination"; Criterion Three "The internal situation in the country of final destination as a function of the existence of tensions or armed conflicts"; and Criterion Four "Preservation of regional peace, security and stability". Sales to Turkey do not meet these criteria.
CAAT believes that Turkey's strategic geographical position, situated between Europe, the Balkans, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, as well as, historically, the Soviet Union, has led the UK and other western governments to overlook its negative attributes when considering military relations.
Through its military collaboration, the UK is giving Turkey's military a respectability it does not deserve, and undermining those working for justice and human rights.
Some of the UK-supplied equipment is directly used in human rights abuses. For instance, the Akrep vehicle, produced locally in Turkey under licence from the UK company Landrover, saw service against the Kurdish people in northern Iraq. (Independent on Sunday, 25 June 1995)
Turkey's military links with Israel, cemented by arms industry co- operation and military training pacts in 1996, are seen as threatening by other countries in the region, particularly Syria. These ties have also been seen as a way for Turkey to circumvent the restrictions that the United States and some European countries, such as Germany, have from time to time imposed. (Progressive magazine, December 1998)
SPENDING ON ARMS
According to the United States' Department of Defense's "Report on Allied Contributions to the Common Defense", March 2001, Turkey's military expenditure as a proportion of GDP rose during the 1990's whilst that of most NATO member countries fell.
"Blind Eye". Of grave concern are the allegations, made by Dr Eric Herring of Bristol University, that RAF pilots patrolling the "no-fly zone" in northern Iraq are recalled to their base in Turkey in order to allow the Turkish airforce to bomb the Kurdish people in Iraq. (New Statesman, 19 March 2001)
CONCLUSIONS
Turkey's human rights record and the influence of the military in Turkish society need to be addressed before Turkey becomes an EU member state. These moral implications are of utmost importance, but there are financial ones too. The country has major economic difficulties yet the cuts elsewhere in the budget are greater than those in military spending There is obvious distortion of the economy by the Turkish military and EU citizens should not be expected to financially underwrite it.
The lack of democratic input into European foreign and security policies in general, and the integration of military industry in particular, would almost certainly be exacerbated if Turkey were to join the European Union.
As Turkey clearly fails to meet the Consolidated EU and National Arms Export Licensing Criteria, the UK government should impose an embargo to cover all goods needing a licence under Part III of Schedule 1 to the Export of Goods (Control) Order 1994. It should encourage the other EU states to do likewise. |
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| Make a list of every country in the world.... it does not change the fact that Turkey has one of the bloodiest histories of the last Century ..... |
Perhaps it was because the Ottomans/Turks were at war on and off with newborn Greece, Bulgaria, Moldavia, Romania (all the Balkans) Russia, British, the Arab states, Armenians, Italians, the French, did I forget anyone? oh yes their own disaffected traitorous subjects, the Ottomans! Do you still wonder why? They all wanted a bit of the sick man of Europe. |
Whereas the Turks have always identified themselves as Turks
If Greece had to be re-born it was to shake off the shackles from its enslavement by the Turks .
The label "sick man of Europe" was not given to Turkey because someone felt sorry for it being unwell ... on the contrary "sick" signified psychotic, genocidal, war-mongering ... you know, all the evils! |
Squirm all you can OrPh. All of Europe were waiting for the 'Sick man' to pass away so they coulc carve it up among themselves, like hungry jackals that they are.
PLEAE PUT YOUR THESAURUS AWAY or you will have an accident with it. |
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