Is Cyprus Too Expensive
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| cyprusgrump |
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| webbo wrote: |
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Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid).  |
Hi kurupeto. Do you know how to apply for this grant and what qualifies you to receive it? Thanks
Bubbles x  |
Getting funding is a nightmare… 
However, I understand there is a different way now… instead of getting a grant and then selling unused ‘lectric back at a-bit-more-than-you-would-normally-pay-for-it, you can pay the full cost yourself and then get 3x the cost of the unused ‘lectric back… 
However, it costs many thousands to install and the PV cells still have a limited life span…
And hybrid cars are shite too… |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:25 pm |
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| webbo wrote: |
| kurupetos wrote: |
| Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid). |
Hi kurupeto. Do you know how to apply for this grant and what qualifies you to receive it? Thanks
Bubbles x |
Call CIE. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:32 pm |
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Getting funding is a nightmare…
However, I understand there is a different way now… instead of getting a grant and then selling unused ‘lectric back at a-bit-more-than-you-would-normally-pay-for-it, you can pay the full cost yourself and then get 3x the cost of the unused ‘lectric back…
However, it costs many thousands to install and the PV cells still have a limited life span…
And hybrid cars are shite too… [/quote]
I agree, funding I think you have to be quite patient.
However, I dont think PV cells are that expensive nowadays and they have at least 10 year lifetime quarantee.
Hybrid cars are the future along with purely electric and also hydrogen cars. Also hydrogen airplanes are on the way! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:39 pm |
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| kurupetos wrote: |
| webbo wrote: |
| kurupetos wrote: |
| Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid). |
Hi kurupeto. Do you know how to apply for this grant and what qualifies you to receive it? Thanks
Bubbles x |
Call CIE. |
 Sorry, CIE being?
Bubbles x |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:41 pm |
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| cyprusgrump wrote: |
| webbo wrote: |
| kurupetos wrote: |
| Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid). |
Hi kurupeto. Do you know how to apply for this grant and what qualifies you to receive it? Thanks
Bubbles x |
Getting funding is a nightmare…
However, I understand there is a different way now… instead of getting a grant and then selling unused ‘lectric back at a-bit-more-than-you-would-normally-pay-for-it, you can pay the full cost yourself and then get 3x the cost of the unused ‘lectric back…
However, it costs many thousands to install and the PV cells still have a limited life span…
And hybrid cars are shite too… |
 You not like then?
bubbles x |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:50 pm |
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| kurupetos wrote: |
| Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid). |
I would LOOVEEE to afford a Honda Civid Hybrid...it's in my "to buy" list.
But DO tell me about the renewable energy thing. Can I actually buy a solar panel or something and plug it in my house ? or would it cost me a fortune just to get it installed and fine-tuned with everything ? |
I am not sure about exact prices. I went to the fair last year. Currently I am not in Cyprus. It's probably a good investment if you have a medium to large house (not flat). Have a look at the CIE website:
http://www.cie.org.cy/homeeng.htm |
webbo,
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:51 pm |
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| cyprusgrump |
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| kurupetos wrote: |
Getting funding is a nightmare…
However, I understand there is a different way now… instead of getting a grant and then selling unused ‘lectric back at a-bit-more-than-you-would-normally-pay-for-it, you can pay the full cost yourself and then get 3x the cost of the unused ‘lectric back…
However, it costs many thousands to install and the PV cells still have a limited life span…
And hybrid cars are shite too… |
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I agree, funding I think you have to be quite patient.
However, I dont think PV cells are that expensive nowadays and they have at least 10 year lifetime quarantee.
Hybrid cars are the future along with purely electric and also hydrogen cars. Also hydrogen airplanes are on the way! |
Hydrogen is a HUGE con!
The econutters say how wonderful Hydrogen cars and ‘planes will be because they only produce water as a by-product of the combustion process. How wonderful!
But, Hydrogen is not so much a fuel as a storage system. You need vast amounts of energy to produce Hydrogen. So you burn fossil fuels to make electricity to make hydrogen which then only produces water as a by-product of combustion. 
Plus, Hydrogen has to be stored at low temperatures in special tanks - ideal for aircraft. |
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| louizoulla wrote: |
| kurupetos wrote: |
| Cyprus is not very expensive as long as you have your own home and a good job. You can save some money on electricity bills if you use renewable energy (e.g. photovoltaics). Their still quite expensive but the price gradually drops and you can also get 50% government funding. There is a fair in Nicosia these days I believe. Also a good idea is the hybrid vehicles (e.g. Honda Civic hybrid). |
I would LOOVEEE to afford a Honda Civid Hybrid...it's in my "to buy" list.
But DO tell me about the renewable energy thing. Can I actually buy a solar panel or something and plug it in my house ? or would it cost me a fortune just to get it installed and fine-tuned with everything ? |
I am not sure about exact prices. I went to the fair last year. Currently I am not in Cyprus. It's probably a good investment if you have a medium to large house (not flat). Have a look at the CIE website:
http://www.cie.org.cy/homeeng.htm |
webbo,
Read to achieve! |
Thanks!
Bubbles x |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:49 pm |
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But, Hydrogen is not so much a fuel as a storage system. You need vast amounts of energy to produce Hydrogen. So you burn fossil fuels to make electricity to make hydrogen which then only produces water as a by-product of combustion.
Plus, Hydrogen has to be stored at low temperatures in special tanks - ideal for aircraft. |
CyGrump,
Hydrogen can be produced by various ways, e.g. it can be produced by natural gas which is significantly "greener" compared to gasoline and in general liquid fuels. Hydrogen operated machines like fuel cell systems are very efficient meaning they only produce negligible carbon dioxide and other harmful byproducts and obviously they produce much more energy for the same fuel supply as compared to conventional engines.
Nonetheless, hydrogen production from fossil fuels is only an interim situation. In the future, hydrogen could be produced from water by renewable energy sources (wind, solar, geothermal, etc.) by electrolysis. Then by liquification (LH2) it can be easily stored and used in cars, airplanes, etc.
By the way, Boeing has already completed a test airplane and there are plans in the aerospace area for the future.
http://www.boeing.com/phantom/news/2007/q1/070327e_nr.html |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:00 pm |
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But, Hydrogen is not so much a fuel as a storage system. You need vast amounts of energy to produce Hydrogen. So you burn fossil fuels to make electricity to make hydrogen which then only produces water as a by-product of combustion.
Plus, Hydrogen has to be stored at low temperatures in special tanks - ideal for aircraft. |
CyGrump,
Hydrogen can be produced by various ways, e.g. it can be produced by natural gas which is significantly "greener" compared to gasoline and in general liquid fuels. Hydrogen operated machines like fuel cell systems are very efficient meaning they only produce negligible carbon dioxide and other harmful byproducts and obviously they produce much more energy for the same fuel supply as compared to conventional engines.
Nonetheless, hydrogen production from fossil fuels is only an interim situation. In the future, hydrogen could be produced from water by renewable energy sources (wind, solar, geothermal, etc.) by electrolysis. Then by liquification (LH2) it can be easily stored and used in cars, airplanes, etc.
By the way, Boeing has already completed a test airplane and there are plans in the aerospace area for the future.
http://www.boeing.com/phantom/news/2007/q1/070327e_nr.html |
Yes, yes, yes…
But it is still only a storage solution… don’t be fooled into thinking it is an amazing low pollution fuel.
Take all your new production methods (wind, solar, geothermal, etc.) and think charging batteries… same thing.
You can’t turn ‘x’ amount of energy into ‘x’ x 2 or more by just converting it into another form… it can’t be done.
Look more deeply into the political motives for promoting fuels like Hydrogen and see the real truth behind it all…
Same as Bio fuels – the saviour of us all? I said years ago that bio fuels wouldn’t provide an alternative solution to oil because you would need vast acres of land currently producing food to ‘grow’ the fuel. Guess what, bio fuel production has rocketed and now there is a shortage of corn for food… |
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