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Denktas-Papadopoulos: mirror reflection of each other

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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:13 pm

Denktash and Papadopoulos they are exactly the same . Thats exactly what I have written before. They are both weak politicians of the past and in no way can these politicians bring peace to cyprus.

Denktash was so happy actually to see Papadopoulos winning the last elections Havent not won the elections Denktash would had been in a very difficult situation.

I wish something to be done soon because These people have divided Cyprus long time ago and with their minds it is very hard for Cyprus to be united again.

How can anyone expect for those people who divided Cyprus in 1960s to bring peace again . It is hard .
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Postby Piratis » Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:37 pm

In representative democracy like we have it is not people rule but people choosing from those who choose to stand before people with a progeramme for Government. Sometimes people like some of what someone has to offer and make choice to vote for that person because it is the best choice that is available to them. Papadopoulos and Denktas was elected with this type of system. There's nothing wrong with it it is similar to what happens in other democracy but is it people rule? In many countries people didn't want their Governments to go to war with Iraq but still those governments made decisions and next time there is an election people will pass judgement on those actions. All this is democracy.

The above argument could be correct in some cases but not in our case. A referendum will show the will of the people directly. Even if you do not believe the 10s of valid polls that have been contacted, I don't think you can doubt the referendum results also.

Papadopoulos is not the reason why real discussions where not made. He tried but Denctash insisted on his dreams.
The real discussions were made between Turkey - US - UN. What they gave us at the end was not a result of discussions between TC and GC but what the US decided to give us to satisfy their friend Turkey.
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:47 pm

Actually I predicted all these stupidity by Papadopoulos long time ago even before the Elections. I did not mind if he does nothing while he is in power All I did care is not to do something stupid.


In many countries people didn't want their Governments to go to war with Iraq but still those governments made decisions


Thats what the Real leaders are supposed to do. The general public tends to be emotional and can be easily mislead and manipulated by misinformation.

It wasn't important if Cyprus talks fail because holidays is more important, so even though there was a published timetable the politicians took time off to have a holiday.


I am sure they had enough holidays for the next 5 years , due to the UN.


We don't have Plan we could have had because our politicians couldn't agree and now both can say it is nothing to do with them. This is why the people of Cyprus have a referendum that neither leader supports


Exactly If both are incapable of taking decisions someone else have to takle them on their behalf.


Given how our leaders couldn't sometimes even be in the same room together when there was all this pressure on them to maybe people need to consider if they think to vote no how long it will take to come to this point again


I can imagine. With all these short policies that both follow lets pray to have a united Cyprus sooner than 20 years. It seems that both do not appreciate so much how much work and effort UN and all these professionals have put in all these years to arrive to the current plan. They are both doing public administration and not what a Real Leader should suppose to do [/quote]
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Postby Piratis » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:25 am

I predicted all these stupidity by Papadopoulos.

So you predicted the stupidity of Papadopoulos?

In many countries people didn't want their Governments to go to war with Iraq but still those governments made decisions


Thats what the Real leaders are supposed to do. The general public tends to be emotional and can be easily mislead and manipulated by misinformation.

Yes, while the "Real leaders" who had the "real" information about the nuclear weapons took the correct decision. Now in Iraq we have peace and democracy and nobody is harmed anymore. :roll:

Thankfully in Cyprus we have truly real leaders who respect the will of the people and are not manipulated by a small group with special interests.
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:55 pm

Given that I already knew some of his opinions regarding the Cyprus Issue it was not very hard for me to forecast.

About the war in Iraq I think it is quite early to see the outcome.
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Postby metecyp » Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:25 pm

About the war in Iraq I think it is quite early to see the outcome.

We all know the situation in Iraq is not good at all, and it's very unlikely that things will change. America's policy on Iraq has been a miserable failure, the reason why they went there is still not legit since they couldn't find WOP, and Iraq is a big mess right now.

So let's not try to change facts for the sake of the argument.
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