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Manifesto: for your consideration

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:27 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"""The problem is how to get rid of the Turks. """
Such a profound statement as the above by none other than a scientist !!!
Tell us how Oracle , and please dont go down the Mickey Mouse road of GR and General Paphitis along with flying pigs !!


You would know all about flying pigs you WEAK man.

You remind me if the ultimate Greek and Cypriot politician, for when they learn the fine arts of foreign diplomacy and how to properly manoeuvre around the international scene with respect to the Cyprus Problem, we may actually have a chance instead of our WEAK pathetic demeanor which allows the Turks to take us for a ride. FFS, the legalities are on our side and we are the ones conceding.

There is one thing I despise and that is treason and pathetic introverts scared of there own shadow. Grow a spine.

He spent the last couple of years talking about the “Amerikaniko daktilo” and hadn’t even realized that all along it was right up his bum… Image
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:56 pm

...on the subject of Turkey, I think that this manifesto represents to us and to her a manner which upholds the Principals of Bizonality and Bicommunality as the United Republic of Cyprus, a State, having a level of Government (as well) where its citizens support themselves as Persons, and where these distinctions are used as a counterbalance against any bias which could threaten their credibility as Cypriots, an undivided and inclusive People.

....it will require Turkish Cypriots to recognise and reciprocate as a majority, the goodwill of societies which provide their citizens the Good Governance that meets the needs of minorities amongst them where they too can sustain themselves as well. Greek Cypriots, toward this effort require a level of Government like this counterpart, so that there is the existence of "founding partners" who, in unison, submit to the State, and its Principals and Rule of Law.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:13 pm

as an afterthought to OP and others (Cynically LOL)...

...all this to accomadate Turkey, never having recognised Lausane, (never mind the Zurich Treaty, (yet)).

and realisticly we are just as shallow if our commitment is to National exclusivities, such as being "a Greek" or being "a Turk".

happily, it is up to us this time to try again, we could be in Palestine.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:53 pm

Sweetie RepulseW

Coming back from Paphos this afternoon I was reflecting on how uncomfortable I too am with your use of the word "enclave".

To pass the time (radio reception changing too frequently, contaminated by invasive Turkish stations :roll: ) I came up with strings of alternatives.

The one which stayed with me till Polis was Harmonity or Harmonities (pl) .... reflecting a dwelling place where people live in ..... harmony :D .

Unfortunately I've just Googled it and it is used ... but so is enclave and that has not stopped you ...

So how about renaming "Enclaves " to "Harmonities" ..... :wink:
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Re: Manifesto: for your consideration

Postby EPSILON » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:03 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:



Manifesto for a virgin birth based on the Principals of our Constitution (that of 1960) for a Governance which is Bicommunal, and a redress for all Displaced Persons.


A letter to:

Christofias Demetris, President of the Republic of Cyprus
Mehemet Ali Talat, Cumhurbaskani (KKTC)
To all the Citizens of the island of Cyprus

I offer my humble observations in the hope that they may be a guide toward a solution which is a demonstration of our Humanity, as Cypriots.

As a basis of negociation there is a long history of resolutions, and proposals toward the Problem and its Solution.

For close to half a century we have struggled to define the meaning of that basic principal in our Constitution which makes our identity bicommunal. Bizonal has been less clear to us, as to meaning, and although it is the most important issue, land, we are far from clearing this impasse.

In my Cyprus the meaning of these words are clear.
And I believe, their consideration was well chosen by Makarios and Denktash.

Bizonal means two parts; with each part made up of components.

Bicommunal means two levels of government; in our case three governing bodies.

Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, has had a dysfunctional government from its advent. For whatever reasons, enclaves became a part of our geography, allowing for distinctions to form where Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots would grow apart. Now the displaced are measured in hundreds of thousands and the occupation by the Turkish Army remains, with the hope it will withdraw, when there exists reforms that Cypriots make for themselves as equal with a sense that their governance shall sustain them.

In my Cyprus the line which divides it in two would remain.

In my Cyprus some of the displaced shall return as communities, and all displaced shall have the Right of Return.

In my Cyprus in voting, in any election, people are defined by their residence, not by their ethnicity.

In my Cyprus a strong Central Government, with its Executive, and an Independent Judiciary will be Sovereign in defending our identities as individuals, our Individual Rights, and the Heritance which makes the island’s culture wealthy, beyond the interests of any single community of persons.

In my Cyprus there are two National Assemblies, where citizens represent themselves as persons, to have Jurisdiction over Territories defined, each as a Zone, providing to these electors the services they need in their daily lives in a manner where, they can as a majority sustain themselves first, while recognising their grace and providing for the special needs of minoroities amongst them.

In my Cyprus, enclaves, like jewels will be scattered across its map. Famagusta will be opened, Girne will remain, Komi Kebir will thrive, and a new township will be founded by Turkish Cypriots near Paphos.

In my Cyprus there is no need for the Military, even if there are many frontiers.







A Unitary State exists which which is in need of reform. The Principal of Bicommunality must be demonstrated as a useful political tool when people share a land and an identity between them. Cyprus is an island, afterall.

I imagine a Bicameral Legislature for the Government of our State. I imagine an Upper House, its seats divided equally between Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot representatives. I imagine a Lower House whose seats are filled by representatives Independent of National Parties, proportionally elected, who through their speaker choose amongst them voting members for all the Government Committees where they have seats, debating Legislation, and voting by consensus

A Leader, to win the Presidency, through his Party must gain a majority of seats in the Upper House. Thus, his/her ethnicity is of no importance having to provide candidates to fill all the seats.

The voter shall vote thricely, once from each of three slates: an Independent, a Turkish Cypriot, and a Greek Cypriot representative.

Futuristically, over 200 years, we must consider having a population of 12 million. The mono clonal tendancies of today, when isolation is removed, and when our EU membership is beyond its advent, will no longer resist the changes of a world far more associated, and I hope at peace in the Middle East, and Africa. Bicommunality will allow us to choose as persons our identity, while as individuals equal we will seek to work toward our betterment as Human beings embracing the changes the future brings in our demographics as the most Socialised Country in the World..

Without our representation in National Assemblies we cannot provide to our culture another facet which enriches it, nor can its two counterparts be sustained any other way.

With a Unitary State we represent ourselves as this island’s dwellers, our expression as Human beings toward acts of betterment above any Nationality, as the Stewards for this Heritage, for the love of its trees, and of its relics, that are even older than the cultures in which we wish to sustain ourselves, (to Neolithic times). This history if you are Cypriot is interwoven in your own. It is a single line unbroken; we can remain great cooperators, yet for the first time in thousands of years, we can be free from subjugation.

Rise up citizen, if you disagree with my proposal, choose one that is better, and more Just.

Send it to our leaders, they need our help now.

My name is repulsewarrior, and as a citizen of the world you can find me on google.

Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, and Free.









are there corrections which can be made? will you sign this letter with me?
is there a Solution which is better or more Just?


MANIFESTO: Cyprus Island belongs to its original citizens and all shelters came in the Island , despite he time and including Ottoman period, have to leave the Island.

CYPRUS BELONGS TO ITS GREEK CITIZENS- ALL OTHERS HAVE TO OBTAIN VISA TO STAY IN THE ISLAND, INCLUDING TALAT OR SALAD-WHATEVER HIS NAME IS>
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:48 pm

RW. I keep coming across this word emotive and unattractive word "enclave". I also think you need to think up a new one. Enclave is an ugly word and an immediate turn-off.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:00 pm

...reading between the lines, I conclude there is merit to them, "enclaves", in your thinking, and I am heartened. (for a long time, i said Cantons)

I have struggled with this as well, such an ugly dirty word because it was abused, a victim not unlike the people who suffered so long in them, denied, surrounded by something they feared. If you think about it some more, my hope is that you will conclude as I have, it is the correct word, and we must resolve to demonstrate how misused it was.

...please reread the manifesto, i need your observations, and more dialog.
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Postby miltiades » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:38 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:"""The problem is how to get rid of the Turks. """
Such a profound statement as the above by none other than a scientist !!!
Tell us how Oracle , and please dont go down the Mickey Mouse road of GR and General Paphitis along with flying pigs !!


You would know all about flying pigs you WEAK man.

You remind me if the ultimate Greek and Cypriot politician, for when they learn the fine arts of foreign diplomacy and how to properly manoeuvre around the international scene with respect to the Cyprus Problem, we may actually have a chance instead of our WEAK pathetic demeanor which allows the Turks to take us for a ride. FFS, the legalities are on our side and we are the ones conceding.

There is one thing I despise and that is treason and pathetic introverts scared of there own shadow. Grow a spine.

General Paphitis Brave Warrior , do please tell us what criteria did you use in arriving at the shit you posted above , do you think that your spine is larger than mine you f... ng idiot , because you want to militarily achieve a solution , I have had enough of your blatant stupidity and nonconstructive and damaging views on the Cyprus problem .How dare you you piece of excrement call me a traitor , you know f..all about me you nasty little man yet you see your self as the patriot and I as the traitor!!! May I suggest you go find your self a hole out in the Australian bush and have a good shit stupid.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:15 pm

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17525

gentlemen, if it is personal, the topic above should help you iron out your personal differences. it would be greatly helpful if your comments are directed to a wider audience than yourselves, and to the topic(s) of this thread.
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Postby miltiades » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:23 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17525

gentlemen, if it is personal, the topic above should help you iron out your personal differences. it would be greatly helpful if your comments are directed to a wider audience than yourselves, and to the topic(s) of this thread.

My apologies Sir , I have allowed my behaviour to be dictated by a couple of contemptible morons , will refrain from doing so on this thread even if challenged .
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