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Manifesto: for your consideration

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:43 am




Manifesto for a virgin birth based on the Principals of our Constitution (that of 1960) for a Governance which is Bicommunal, and a redress for all Displaced Persons.


A letter to:

Christofias Demetris, President of the Republic of Cyprus
Mehemet Ali Talat, Cumhurbaskani (KKTC)
To all the Citizens of the island of Cyprus

I offer my humble observations in the hope that they may be a guide toward a solution which is a demonstration of our Humanity, as Cypriots.

As a basis of negociation there is a long history of resolutions, and proposals toward the Problem and its Solution.

For close to half a century we have struggled to define the meaning of that basic principal in our Constitution which makes our identity bicommunal. Bizonal has been less clear to us, as to meaning, and although it is the most important issue, land, we are far from clearing this impasse.

In my Cyprus the meaning of these words are clear.
And I believe, their consideration was well chosen by Makarios and Denktash.

Bizonal means two parts; with each part made up of components.

Bicommunal means two levels of government; in our case three governing bodies.

Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, has had a dysfunctional government from its advent. For whatever reasons, enclaves became a part of our geography, allowing for distinctions to form where Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots would grow apart. Now the displaced are measured in hundreds of thousands and the occupation by the Turkish Army remains, with the hope it will withdraw, when there exists reforms that Cypriots make for themselves as equal with a sense that their governance shall sustain them.

In my Cyprus the line which divides it in two would remain.

In my Cyprus some of the displaced shall return as communities, and all displaced shall have the Right of Return.

In my Cyprus in voting, in any election, people are defined by their residence, not by their ethnicity.

In my Cyprus a strong Central Government, with its Executive, and an Independent Judiciary will be Sovereign in defending our identities as individuals, our Individual Rights, and the Heritance which makes the island’s culture wealthy, beyond the interests of any single community of persons.

In my Cyprus there are two National Assemblies, where citizens represent themselves as persons, to have Jurisdiction over Territories defined, each as a Zone, providing to these electors the services they need in their daily lives in a manner where, they can as a majority sustain themselves first, while recognising their grace and providing for the special needs of minoroities amongst them.

In my Cyprus, enclaves, like jewels will be scattered across its map. Famagusta will be opened, Girne will remain, Komi Kebir will thrive, and a new township will be founded by Turkish Cypriots near Paphos.

In my Cyprus there is no need for the Military, even if there are many frontiers.







A Unitary State exists which which is in need of reform. The Principal of Bicommunality must be demonstrated as a useful political tool when people share a land and an identity between them. Cyprus is an island, afterall.

I imagine a Bicameral Legislature for the Government of our State. I imagine an Upper House, its seats divided equally between Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot representatives. I imagine a Lower House whose seats are filled by representatives Independent of National Parties, proportionally elected, who through their speaker choose amongst them voting members for all the Government Committees where they have seats, debating Legislation, and voting by consensus

A Leader, to win the Presidency, through his Party must gain a majority of seats in the Upper House. Thus, his/her ethnicity is of no importance having to provide candidates to fill all the seats.

The voter shall vote thricely, once from each of three slates: an Independent, a Turkish Cypriot, and a Greek Cypriot representative.

Futuristically, over 200 years, we must consider having a population of 12 million. The mono clonal tendancies of today, when isolation is removed, and when our EU membership is beyond its advent, will no longer resist the changes of a world far more associated, and I hope at peace in the Middle East, and Africa. Bicommunality will allow us to choose as persons our identity, while as individuals equal we will seek to work toward our betterment as Human beings embracing the changes the future brings in our demographics as the most Socialised Country in the World..

Without our representation in National Assemblies we cannot provide to our culture another facet which enriches it, nor can its two counterparts be sustained any other way.

With a Unitary State we represent ourselves as this island’s dwellers, our expression as Human beings toward acts of betterment above any Nationality, as the Stewards for this Heritage, for the love of its trees, and of its relics, that are even older than the cultures in which we wish to sustain ourselves, (to Neolithic times). This history if you are Cypriot is interwoven in your own. It is a single line unbroken; we can remain great cooperators, yet for the first time in thousands of years, we can be free from subjugation.

Rise up citizen, if you disagree with my proposal, choose one that is better, and more Just.

Send it to our leaders, they need our help now.

My name is repulsewarrior, and as a citizen of the world you can find me on google.

Cyprus: three governments; One Capital, and Free.









are there corrections which can be made? will you sign this letter with me?
is there a Solution which is better or more Just?
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Postby Oracle » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:23 pm

RW ... I think there is no place for "two communities" on Cyprus ... or complicated forms of Government!.

Why not one community of Cypriots ... made up of true RoC citizens ... not traitors ... not partisans to foreigners ... just EU members resident in Cyprus .... using their one vote to have a say!
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Re: Manifesto: for your consideration

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:17 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Manifesto for a virgin birth based on the Principals of our Constitution (that of 1960) for a Governance which is Bicommunal, and a redress for all Displaced Persons.

You didn't even use the forum's standard manifesto layout...

My Manifesto
by repulsewarrior

Chapter 1 (Page 1/1)
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feck!


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End of chapters
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End of manifesto

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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:33 pm

Oracle wrote:RW ... I think there is no place for "two communities" on Cyprus ... or complicated forms of Government!.

Why not one community of Cypriots ... made up of true RoC citizens ... not traitors ... not partisans to foreigners ... just EU members resident in Cyprus .... using their one vote to have a say!


indeed mdme, and i do not disagree. but you must admit of all the plans, other than what you stand fast for, this one is Just, as well as practical.

Externally and as Individuals your desire is sustained. Yet as Persons, and in our daily lives, we will choose our identity, part of a Minority, or part of a Majority, Grecophone or Turcophone, (or other).
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Re: Manifesto: for your consideration

Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:56 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:Manifesto for a virgin birth based

I see this as actually losing the war not just the battle.
Bizonal has been less clear to us, as to meaning, and although it is the most important issue, land, we are far from clearing this impasse.

In my Cyprus the meaning of these words are clear.
And I believe, their consideration was well chosen by Makarios and Denktash.


RW ... I was not aware Makarios seriously entertained Bizonal as a solution for Cyprus ... are there any links?


Bicommunal means two levels of government; in our case three governing bodies.


Cyprus is too small to function as Bicommunal, besides this is admitting we cannot blend, which I think will happen if we have just one language and get rid of outside influences.

Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus, has had a dysfunctional government from its advent. For whatever reasons, enclaves became a part of our geography, allowing for distinctions to form where Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots would grow apart. Now the displaced are measured in hundreds of thousands and the occupation by the Turkish Army remains, with the hope it will withdraw, when there exists reforms that Cypriots make for themselves as equal with a sense that their governance shall sustain them.


This just perpetuates the divisions that have been the root cause of the problem.

In all else RW you extole the virtues of living together in harmony ... how can that be achieved if people have at the heart of their constitution the seed for continued division. Which part / category will you fall in? Why? ... what if one decides he does not "fit" in to the designated mold .... is there room for change towards the other?

In my Cyprus the line which divides it in two would remain.

NO! .... please :(

In my Cyprus some of the displaced shall return as communities, and all displaced shall have the Right of Return.


Forget communities ... people should have the right to regard themselves as individuals first and foremost.

In my Cyprus in voting, in any election, people are defined by their residence, not by their ethnicity.


Best point so far.

I'll think about the rest later as this is proving painfully intellectual for a Friday night, with its distractions .....
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Postby zan » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:07 pm

Just one point to blow your whole post apart dearest Oracle....The island has been doing well in two parts for ages now. :roll: :roll: So saying thta it is too small is just nonsense!!!
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Re: Manifesto: for your consideration

Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:09 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:In my Cyprus a strong Central Government, with its Executive, and an Independent Judiciary will be Sovereign in defending our identities as individuals, our Individual Rights, and the Heritance which makes the island’s culture wealthy, beyond the interests of any single community of persons.


Identities as Individuals and Individual Rights are paramount and underpin future Democracies.

In my Cyprus there are two National Assemblies, where citizens represent themselves as persons, to have Jurisdiction over Territories defined, each as a Zone, providing to these electors the services they need in their daily lives in a manner where, they can as a majority sustain themselves first, while recognising their grace and providing for the special needs of minoroities amongst them.


This sounds very Athenian ... I like :D

In my Cyprus, enclaves, like jewels will be scattered across its map. Famagusta will be opened, Girne will remain, Komi Kebir will thrive, and a new township will be founded by Turkish Cypriots near Paphos.


You really need to explain your reasons for wanting enclaves RW ... because I cannot think of anything positive about them except as refuges for beaten up wives or such like ....

In my Cyprus there is no need for the Military, even if there are many frontiers.

Agreeable.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:13 pm

zan wrote:Just one point to blow your whole post apart dearest Oracle....The island has been doing well in two parts for ages now. :roll: :roll: So saying thta it is too small is just nonsense!!!


Well no actually Zan :? ... because I don't hear the TCs being truly happy ...... Yes they make jingoistic, patriotic noises and grunts (especially shah :lol: ) to that effect, but looking under the bravado, I think they sound really sad and are crying out to be set free.

As for the GCs ........ well we know how quickly they would like to see this division end.
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Postby zan » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:39 pm

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:Just one point to blow your whole post apart dearest Oracle....The island has been doing well in two parts for ages now. :roll: :roll: So saying thta it is too small is just nonsense!!!


Well no actually Zan :? ... because I don't hear the TCs being truly happy ...... Yes they make jingoistic, patriotic noises and grunts (especially shah :lol: ) to that effect, but looking under the bravado, I think they sound really sad and are crying out to be set free.

As for the GCs ........ well we know how quickly they would like to see this division end.


There are those that are nopt happy and then there are those that are extremely happy but that goes as the norm on planet earth. As for being set free...We were...In 1974...We had thye run of 37% of our island and not the 3% you had us in under the gun.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:47 am

zan whatever what will happen the island will repopulate. Moreso, there will be displaced, and the rights of the already displaced require beyond recognition a redress which is seen to serve Justice.

I like enclaves because they are much like real estate developments. The developer of course builds to their taste, and profits by providing services, the dwellers live their by their own choice. In any case there is no ethnic barrier to live anywhere. There is no doubt if we are to expand, the demands on infrastructure will increase. small footprints with higher concentrations of people will help preserve the landscape's beauty. more importantly, these communities will grow to have their own distinctions adding to the diversity of their respective societies. most importantly it addresses the issue of land in a manner where the victims see a change, and Justice, equally and for the incidences of the '60's as well as '74. even if the 'border' or 'line' remains its importance will be Jurisdictional (in terms of the National Assemblies) and of historical significance for evermore, without having to be defended by one or the other, existing by Charter to define another level of Government, protected by their definition in the Constitution, they provide service, their policy may be representing their electorate as a majority, for an electorate who identify themselves as persons, but the State is Sovereign over the island's territory, and for defending every citizen, and their Individual Rights.

"There are those that are nopt happy and then there are those that are extremely happy but that goes as the norm on planet earth. As for being set free...We were...In 1974...We had thye run of 37% of our island and not the 3% you had us in under the gun." zan, reread this, ...you must be tired, i was not expecting ever to hear this from you. it implies that you are for the status quo, with an occupation that leaves for Turkish Cypriots one of the most militarised places in the world to call their 'home'. it implies that you support the illegal acts of the Turkish Army, to justify this Ignorance on the "GCs'" part. this is insupportable. Your point about two governing bodies as functional over many years is valid. and a Unitary State is what is best. what is needed therefore is a counterpart for the Turkish Cypriot authority, a Greek Cypriot authority, as two National Assemblies, which frees the State and its Governance of this issue as an internal affair, Bicommunal, where citizens see themselves as Individuals, and where as Persons their Rights are addressed through self representation, as well.

It is a virgin birth, with all the blood and drama which will come at the moment, not unlike any other birth, it is ugly and from its appearance it does not bode well. yet, it has no need for a father but what is, and the mother remains virtuous with those principals which are for always unsullied, while what is born is something new and vital.

OP, will you comment on the voting process, for the Republic's Legislature? Do you think that it will demonstrate a form of representation in the future for a citizenry which has as a large part people who are neither 'Greek' or 'Turkish'?.
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