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Israel is on the edge 24 hours a day. Lot's of young men with guns and yes at times it can feel unreal. It has become a little better since the 80s but tension still exists.
I have recently returned from Taba in Egypt, some 25 miles from the Israeli border.
I stayed in a American owned hotel run by Egyptions. The hotel was full of Jordanians, Egyptions, Iraeli's, Russians and the token Brits.
All very peaceful, no trouble people enjoying their holiday. 30 years ago this was unthinkable.
Again though, security was tight, x-ray at hotel reception, armed guards on buses to and from the airport. |
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:10 am |
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We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:56 pm |
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| BOF wrote: |
We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF |
I think you'll find that is not the way it works.........  |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:24 pm |
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 i think it is.. Menachim Begin was a freedom fighter for israel. If he did today what he did then he would be labelled a terrorist - just as Yasser Arafat was.
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:25 pm |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:30 pm |
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| Talisker wrote: |
| BOF wrote: |
We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF |
I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... |
So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !! |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:39 pm |
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| miltiades wrote: |
| Talisker wrote: |
| BOF wrote: |
We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF |
I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... |
So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !! |
Miltiades - I'm Talisker, and not Eliko! |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:42 pm |
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| BOF wrote: |
i think it is.. Menachim Begin was a freedom fighter for israel. If he did today what he did then he would be labelled a terrorist - just as Yasser Arafat was.
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No, Begin was a terrorist, who most Israelis now consider a freedom fighter. |
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| Talisker wrote: |
| miltiades wrote: |
| Talisker wrote: |
| BOF wrote: |
We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF |
I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... |
So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !! |
Miltiades - I'm Talisker, and not Eliko! |
You must be the only one that reads what Miliades writes and assumes there is any point in correcting him ......... after 6 pm |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:35 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
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| miltiades wrote: |
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| BOF wrote: |
We will never forget the Holocaust because we will never be allowed to. but other holocausts are. the 20 million in russia are forgotten, the Katyn forest dead are forgotten, the pol pot victims are forgotten, the rwandan dead are forgotten. ...the state of israel was founded in blood, not all of it Jewish.. the King david Hotel for instance. and then there was the Hagana.
I do Not Praise Israel, Nor do i decry it. i merely make observations.
Every side has its lunatics and there are many in that region.
Israel has the right to exsist,and Palestine to have its state.
But if only it was that Easy - King Hussein of Jordan managed to walk the tightrope of diplomacy, while Anwar Sadat paid with his life.
No one wants to deal with terrorists but yesterdays freedom fighters would be todays terrorists.
There are jewish settlers in villages built in Palestine but but how we condemn turkish settlers in Northern Cyprus.
No easy Solutions and no easy Answers. fanatics on both sides.
Common sense is the victim these days.
BOF |
I think you'll find that is not the way it works......... |
So does this mean Eliko that the terrorists who crushed the planes killing thousands of innocent people o 9/11 could one day be seen by the CIVILIZED world as freedom fighters ??
ps: Can I ask you Eliko for a special favour , please get rid of that monstrosity you use as an avatar , its nauseatingly annoying !! |
Miltiades - I'm Talisker, and not Eliko! |
You must be the only one that reads what Miliades writes and assumes there is any point in correcting him ......... after 6 pm |
Miltiades how dare you! thats my bloody picture not an avatar!! 
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