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Yes said the Prime minister of Greece

Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:30 pm

The Prime Minister of Greece has stressed the positives factors of the UN Anan plan and indirectly he supported a clear Yes to the UN Anan Plan.

Very Correctly he said the We need to see FAR in THe LONG TERM and not be too blinded by some short policies (or injustices) that appear in the UN Plan.

He also said that under the EU Framework some of the injustices of the plan can be eliminated . Therefore the positives are much more than the negatives of the UN Anan Plan.

He also supported that Cypriots to have the final Say on the UN plan.

TO draw a conclusion on the above statements made by the prime minister of Greece is

Tassos Papadopoulos has been ISOLATED Internationally by Choosing the Negative Vote on the UN plan. [/b]
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Postby Piratis » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:16 pm

Tassos Papadopoulos has been ISOLATED Internationally by Choosing the Negative Vote on the UN plan


I don't think we elected Tassos Papdopoulos to make him an international celebrity.
What he does has the full backing of the majority of Greek Cypriots.
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:15 pm

Tasos Papadopoulos has been elected to represent the long term interest of Cyprus . Havent you heard the huge critisism among many EU countries the way he is handling and negotiating the Cyprus issue.

Uzbekistan is ready to recognise the TRNC , thats what I read today in press . And this example will be followed by many other countries.

Of course I would nt like to see two independent states in such a small island and this scenario is very LIKELY to occur soon if Tasos Papadopoulos will not change policy on this issue.

Hope he does otherwise I see two Independent states in Cyprus.
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:20 pm

Anyway the speech he made shows how naive is this man in politics . Anyway this is my opinion . He has been elected mainly based on the votes of AKEL and AKEL is choosing a different path now.

I think he should resign soon otherwise I dont see how this man will benefit cypriots.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:59 pm

You are wrong.
AKEL is not choosing a different path. All parties of government voted "No". So don't misinform.
If you don't like him, its your problem. People that think like you are less than 15% and you will see this in the referendum.
The president represents the majority, exactly how a democracy should be.
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:26 pm

There has been a strong disagreement among AKEL Officials and TPapadopoulos over the speech he had made recently about the UN Plan. One of the PApadopoulos minister representing the AKEL party has resigned due to the fact he was strongly against the position of Papadopoulos had undertaken on the UN Plan. The Leader of AKEL Party was in strong disagreement with the current policies that Tpapadopoulos is pursuing.

How come everything that TPApadopoulos is saying it is right and the opinions of

1) the last president of Cyprus Glafkos Klerides who said a strong YES and who was in power for 10 years

2) The prime Minister of Greece who supported the UN Plan

3)The PASOK greek party Leader who said a clear YES

4) EU , USA , UN who all supported and approved the UN plan

5) George VAsiliou and the former president of Cyprus who strongly agreed with the Plan

Have no relevance to you?


OK lets accept the fact that the whole International Community have decided to destroy Cyprus rght ? There are still also Cypriots who where presidents of Cyprus Glafkos Klerides and George VAsiliou who strongly accept the UN PLan. How can you explain that ?
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Postby Piratis » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:11 pm

The so called "international community" are the ones under the control of the US. Russia, China, India etc never pressed us to take any decision.
The Americans and British want this solution because they made it to server their own interests.

We heard Papadopoulos and Cleredes and everybody. The result on April 24th.
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Postby mehmet » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:26 pm

Wait a minute, so the Uk and USA try to ensure their interests are considered? No surprise there, I wouldn't expect anything less from Bush and Blair. As far as I was aware Papadopoulos was nearby when negotiations, discussions take place. Was he not doing his job for his people and representing their interests?

I'm sorry but we will have a long wait (we will go to the grave waiting) if we expect a solution where only Cypriots are involved. In any case when opponents of Annan Plan hear something they don't like from Turkish Cypriots they say we are brainwashed and not in control of our owm minds. What do they say to Greek Cypriots who are in favour? That perhaps they also can't think straight(i.e. like they do?). Don't give us lectures on democracy when you can't accept that people who disagree with you are somehow not able to think for themselves without being brainwashed.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:51 pm

If their interests are not directly against us then we can accept it. Why should we accept voluntarily something that will destroy us? They have all the power to kill us, that doesn't mean we have to suicide without even trying for something better.

I never said that T/C are brainwashed because they vote "yes" for the Annan plan. Go read my posts again. Actually I said that if I was T/C I would vote yes too.

Also, where did I say that G/C that will vote "yes" can not think straight or are brainwashed. What I say is the majority of people will vote "no". Everybody thinks that his/her opinion is right. What matters in democracy is what the majority believes is right (even if its not right).
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Postby michalis5354 » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:51 pm

Piratis wrote:The so called "international community" are the ones under the control of the US. Russia, China, India etc never pressed us to take any decision.


Maybe because they were not Interested and /or not even willing to assist for Cyprus setlement .

Piratis wrote:The Americans and British want this solution because they made it to server their own interests.


Please specify exactly what are their own interests?
Piratis wrote:Why should we accept voluntarily something that will destroy us?


You say that . A research undertaken by CYPRIOT economist G.Vasiliou (leader of the EDI Party)strongly disagrees with you . And I am not going to mention the thousands of International Economist who have supported exactly the opposite because you will claim that they are prejudiced.

What about the International Financial Aid that will be received in case of settlement amounted to 1-2 billion Euros. where does this goes ?To the negatives of the plan?

Piratis wrote:
What matters in democracy is what the majority believes is right (even if its not right).


Not necessarily . The majority of the Israeli people have elected Sharon as their prime minister which is even much worst than the previous one. This is may be a part of democracy but the will of the people does not necessarily always be for the benefit of the country.
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