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[cannedmoose]

(by the way, my apologies for disappearing recently - I've just had a new baby and, well, the rest is obvious )

Congratulations Alexandros... hopefully with your return, some sanity will also return to this forum.

P.S. I've been doing some preliminary work comparing the detailed breakdown from the TC Presidential elections and the database you sent me, with some potentially interesting results. Once I've had time to investigate these a bit more, I'll email you with my assumptions. Thanks re, hope you're getting some sleep at night! Just got a new puppy myself so I kinda appreciate what you're going through!

[magikthrill]

(by the way, my apologies for disappearing recently - I've just had a new baby and, well, the rest is obvious )

Sixaritiria re koumabre!

[Piratis]

should include a summit agreement between the RoC, Greece, Turkey and the UK

If we will (finally) manage to agree between ourselves then I don't see why we should include UK in the deal. I say that one of the changes should be that UK troops and bases should be removed over a specific time frame. They are here because in the 1960 they had Cyprus as a colony so we had to agree with them for independence. Now, in the 2005, why we should make any deals with the colonialists?

The land in the British bases can be used to alleviate the problem with the relocation.

[erolz]

If we will (finally) manage to agree between ourselves then I don't see why we should include UK in the deal. I say that one of the changes should be that UK troops and bases should be removed over a specific time frame. They are here because in the 1960 they had Cyprus as a colony so we had to agree with them for independence. Now, in the 2005, why we should make any deals with the colonialists?

The point as I see it is that if we return to the 1960 agreements then the UK is a party to these. Futher if we wish to return to these agreements and modify them then this has to be done with the consent of those that made the agreements.
I also think that a unilateral demand that the UK leave Cyprus is a 'maximal demand' and unrealistic.

The land in the British bases can be used to alleviate the problem with the relocation.

The UK has already offered to reduce the size of it's bases to aid renunification. In my opinion we (Cypriots) should take this offer and not insist on things that are hard or impossible for the uk to accept.

[metecyp]

(by the way, my apologies for disappearing recently - I've just had a new baby and, well, the rest is obvious Smile )

Congratulations!

Otherwise, the fact that we avoid a geographical split (as we inevitably would in any version of the BBF model) is rated as highly positive.

Highly positive accordingly to GCs, I assume? I don't know if I'm the only TC forum member who believes in this but bizonality is very important for TCs. I like turkcyp's set of ideas but it has to involve steps transforming the RoC into a bizonal state for TC approval. Am I wrong?

The UK has already offered to reduce the size of it's bases to aid renunification. In my opinion we (Cypriots) should take this offer and not insist on things that are hard or impossible for the uk to accept.

I agree that reducing British bases (which is already agreed by the British) is the next logical step.

[Saint Jimmy]

I don't know if I'm the only TC forum member who believes in this but bizonality is very important for TCs. I like turkcyp's set of ideas but it has to involve steps transforming the RoC into a bizonal state for TC approval. Am I wrong?

I would think not, metecyp. I too believe that bizonality is a key element of any solution for TCs, and thus any proposal to return to the 1960 Agreements would face stiff opposition in the North.
Then again, Insan, whom I thought a staunch supporter of bizonality, has expressed his liking for the proposal, so who knows?

[Viewpoint]

Alexandros Lordos

by the way, my apologies for disappearing recently - I've just had a new baby and, well, the rest is obvious

Congratulations.

let me reveal the following thought I often catch myself making: "If the price of re-unification is that Turkey (and others) will have the right to intervene in our affairs, then perhaps partition is better". It is like when someone gets married, and the wife-to-be places a condition that her mother should have a key to the house, so that whenever the couple quarrels the mother will have the right to come into the house and put things in order. Is it not understandable if the husband-to-be thinks: "Emm ... if this is the price for getting married, then I would prefer to stay single"

Would that allow the husband to kick his wifes face in with no one being able to help the poor woman, why woudl she want to get married better off single.

metecyp

I don't know if I'm the only TC forum member who believes in this but bizonality is very important for TCs.

No you are not and its a very important issue and concern for most TCs and without this factor there could be no type of union.

[insan]

I don't know if I'm the only TC forum member who believes in this but bizonality is very important for TCs. I like turkcyp's set of ideas but it has to involve steps transforming the RoC into a bizonal state for TC approval. Am I wrong?

I would think not, metecyp. I too believe that bizonality is a key element of any solution for TCs, and thus any proposal to return to the 1960 Agreements would face stiff opposition in the North.
Then again, Insan, whom I thought a staunch supporter of bizonality, has expressed his liking for the proposal, so who knows?

Jimmy, as long as overwhelming majority of TCs are not forced to move their former places; TCs can still concentrate in certain areas of Northern part of the Island. A kind of natural, unrestricted bi-zonality. In a unitary state based on political equality of two communities, there's no need to restrict the freedom of movement; as I said, as long as any TCs are not forced to abandon the place and the properties he/she has invested and based his/her hopes; future plans. The TCs who have security concerns would prefer to stay where they feel themselves safe(phisically, financially, socially and psychologically). I hope GCs can show some respect to those TCs who would like to stay in North nad exchange the properties they have made a home and invested for 30 years.

This may sound unfair to thousands of GC refugees who would like to return North and/or take the possession of their properties and use them whatever purpose they like but in a case like this I'm sure overwhelming majority of TCs would reject such a plan.

[Piratis]

This may sound unfair to thousands of GC refugees who would like to return North and/or take the possession of their properties and use them whatever purpose they like but in a case like this I'm sure overwhelming majority of TCs would reject such a plan.

Then I guess Turkcyp has to clarify this for us.
The way I understood it, most GCs will either get the exact property back, or property of the same value in the same area. Am I wrong?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis love the avatar, where did u get it or did u create it yourself.