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Postby garbitsch » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:34 pm

The only problem I see in the 1960 constitution is the 30% TC government employees, but as I notice you already fixed that in your proposals.


As long as it is not lower than that percentage, we have no problem :D
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Postby Piratis » Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:45 pm

Probably you wanted to say that Turkcyp's suggestion could be accepted by the majority of GCs, instead of TCs that you wrote.

No, what I wanted to say is that this suggestion could be accepted by the majority of TCs if there was some support from some main political parties. But as we agreed this will not happen.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:15 pm

garbitsch wrote:
The only problem I see in the 1960 constitution is the 30% TC government employees, but as I notice you already fixed that in your proposals.


As long as it is not lower than that percentage, we have no problem :D


As long as it is not lower than which percentage?
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Postby garbitsch » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:26 pm

30%
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Postby metecyp » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:35 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:Metecyp what is this mania of yours for bizonality? Bizonality will exist man, do you have any doubts the TCs will be concentrated in the northern part for ever?

Bizonality is not just my "mania"...it's a great concern to TCs in general and that's why I want to make sure that we're talking about something that has some chance of acceptance. I repeat again, going back to TC rights in 1960 agreements can be acceptable to TCs only if it involves steps to transform the RoC to a bizonal federation. This is not my personal opinion but the majority of TC opinion, it's just something very obvious. I answered before many times why bizonality is crucial to TCs and there's no need to repeat again, I think we all know the answers.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:42 pm

garbitsch wrote:30%


So, even though you are probably less than 18% nowadays, some estimated you to be even less than 15%, you wouldn’t accept any participation into the civil service that is less than 30%. In other words you demand not just to have equal employment opportunities as individuals, but in fact you expect twice as high opportunities compare to the Greek Cypriots.

Well, at least you do not claim all (100%) of the civil service positions, as your father, Kemal bey, taught you to always demand, based on his famous motto, "one Turk equals the whole world."

However, in Greek we have another motto. "Opios thelei ta polla, channei kai ta liga," meaning, "anyone demanding too much, in the end looses even the very little!"
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Postby metecyp » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:45 pm

Kifeas wrote:So, even though you are probably less than 18% nowadays, some estimated it you to be even less than 15%, you wouldn’t accept any participation into the civil service that is less than 30%.

I think this is just a personal opinion of garbitsch. I don't think many TCs will care too much about it. As long as we are guaranteed to have 18% of government jobs, it should be fine. I wish this was the only thing we had to worry about.
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:57 pm

metecyp wrote:
Kifeas wrote:So, even though you are probably less than 18% nowadays, some estimated it you to be even less than 15%, you wouldn’t accept any participation into the civil service that is less than 30%.

I think this is just a personal opinion of garbitsch. I don't think many TCs will care too much about it. As long as we are guaranteed to have 18% of government jobs, it should be fine. I wish this was the only thing we had to worry about.


I know Metecyp, and I appreciate your reassurance. My comments are not directed to the rest of TCs in this forum, but to people like garbitsch who need to be reminded once in a while of some basic rules of proper behaviour, unfortunately in the hard way. This could go for some GCs too!
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Postby insan » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:10 pm

Well, at least you do not claim all (100%) of the civil service positions, as your father, Kemal bey, taught you to always demand, based on his famous motto, "one Turk equals the whole world."


When Kemalist TC, Denktash was negotiating with son of John "the ripper" of Cyprus, Clerides; he proposed %20 quota in all government posts for TCs. Many years after the inter-communal talks(1968-73), Clerides acknowledged that Turkish side had made confessions on many issues and two sides had come very close to an agreement. Currently, he told to To Vima newspaper that not informing the GC community about the inter-communal talks was the biggest fault of his life.

Clerides didn't inform the GC community because he was the man of Makarios at that times. Moreover, as a right winger; most probably he also had relationships with the Enosists. Wasn't Clerides the founder of DESI that gathered the political front of EOKA-B under the wings of DESI. Who forced Makarios to declare amnesty for all EOKA-B members? Until early 1978, EOKA-B still was active and keep threatening Makarios. Even EOKA-B undertook the assassination of a Turkish diplomat in 1976.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:22 pm

HAYIR/OXI/NO

to Turkcyp's road map, the 1960 Constitution is dead for most TCs and they would never return to it. Bizonality and political equality are a must for our community and anything less wil get a resounding NO.
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