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Postby growuptcs » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:00 pm

My roots are from the earth, not from acid rain. Can't you tell that I follow humane rules?
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:02 pm

growuptcs wrote:My roots are from the earth, not from acid rain. Can't you tell that I follow humane rules?


i dont like human rules . i prefer the rules of the god . humans are shit !!! The worst animals in this world !!!!! and i didnt get my answer. i was fighting here with this english people alone and now if you come and be like how they did in the past then i have to live the form !!! you should know the main cause of all this is outsiders and no need to fight here . dont just answer go and noone rerplay this topic or we carryon to fight
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Gav, the Minister is smiling, since you like superficial evidence, so he kills a guy because he has a gun, then everyone else gets shot at, even the UN, and you think that this is correct, a Turkish way of doing things?

What was the guy doing up the pole anyway, has nothing to do with the question that I am asking.
...and I do not think that it is the important question either.
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Postby growuptcs » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:07 pm

Your right Gav, us human beings are like animals when we are left with no rule or education. So your behavior is undertsood but not accepted.
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:10 pm

ok . come to north and with a group try to cross the boarder from north to south and they will warn you to go back but you ignore and try to claim to put the greek flag down in same time in the army area . what do you think it will happen . or imagine same think happening in any other country border. thats the rule. in usa people get shot for stupid reasons and everywhere in the world. i didnt make the rules . 3 million (3000000) dead in iraq and u gonna tell me humanity. uk kiled the brezilian guy because he was running away from the police. everywhere happening . but people try to use this that GCs hate TCs and same to us
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:14 pm

Brezillian guy shot 8 times . in United kingdom who did it ??? police


Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian electrician mistakenly gunned down by anti-terrorist police at Stockwell tube station, was shot eight times, an inquest was told today.
Mr De Menezes, 27, died on Friday, the day after the failed suicide bombings on London's transport network. Details of how he died were confirmed by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

An inquest, which was opened into his death earlier today at Southwark coroners court, heard that he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder.

Eyewitnesses to the shooting had reported he had been shot five times after failing to stop when challenged by the plain-clothes officers. His family are considering legal action.

Speaking at a press conference in central London, the Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman, Nick Hardwick, confirmed that the commission had begun an investigation into the shooting.

"We enter this with open minds, as we search for the truth, and we have accepted the full cooperation of the Metropolitan police service, which they have pledged," he said.

Mr Hardwick confirmed that the officers involved in the shooting had already given an account of what happened, but said they could be interviewed by the IPCC team in the future.

"We don't start from the assumption that we are investigating a crime here. We are looking for the truth," he said.

Arrangements are being made so that the victim's family can be kept up to date with the progress of the investigation.

Tony Blair said he was "desperately sorry" about Mr De Menezes'death, but added that police officers, who are hunting for four would-be suicide bombers, were working in "very difficult circumstances".

The prime minister spoke about the shooting for the first time today in a Downing Street news conference alongside his French counterpart, Dominique de Villepin.

"We are all desperately sorry for the death of an innocent person, and I understand entirely the feelings of the young man's family," Mr Blair said. "But we also have to understand the police are doing their job in very, very difficult circumstances.

"Had the circumstances been different and had this turned out to be a terrorist, and they had failed to take that action, they would have been criticised the other way."

Alex Pereira, a cousin of Mr Menezes, said the police "have to pay" for the mistake.

When asked whether the family was taking legal action, he told BBC Breakfast: "They have to pay for that in many ways because, if they do not, they are going to kill many people, they are going to kill thousands of people.

"They just kill the first person they see, that's what they did ... they killed my cousin, they could kill anyone."

Earlier, he said he wanted to show people that police "could have stopped" Mr Menezes before he caught a bus to Stockwell from Tulse Hill, also in south London.

"They killed him here because they had to show off," he said. "Police had plenty of time to stop him - if they were so afraid of a bomb, why did they let him get on the bus?"

At Scotland Yard, around 30 protesters, including friends of Mr Menezes, gathered and sang the Brazilian national anthem.

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, expressed "deep regrets" over the killing, and said the force accepted "full responsibility".

However, he last night defended the "shoot-to-kill" policy for dealing with suspected suicide bombers, arguing that it was necessary to shoot suspects in the head if it was feared they might set off a bomb on their body.

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, will meet his Brazilian counterpart, Celso Amorim, in London tonight to apologise for the shooting.

Speaking prior to the meeting, Mr Amorim, who was in London on a visit planned before the death of Mr Menezes, who had been living in London for three years, said: "The Brazilian government and the public are shocked and perplexed that a peaceful and innocent person should have been killed."

Mr Menezes was followed by police who were part of a surveillance team that had been watching the Tulse Hill flats after the block's address was found in one of four backpacks involved in last week's failed attacks.

He was tailed when he boarded a bus, and police decided to intervene when he approached the tube station.

Officers said a contributory factor to Mr Menezes being shot was his chunky top, which they said could have concealed a bomb and was out of place on a warm day.

But the victim's friend Fausto Soares said: "We come from a hot country and this is a cold country. I wear my jacket 365 days a year. I'm wearing a jacket now, and after what's happened I don't feel safe."

He said he did not know why Mr Menezes had apparently tried to flee onto a train when challenged by undercover armed police at the entrance to Stockwell station.

"What we want to know is why they threw him on the floor and shot him in the head five times," he said.

The Home Office today refused to comment on reports that Mr Menezes had been in Britain on an out-of-date visa.


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Postby growuptcs » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:18 pm

GAV:
ok . come to north and with a group try to cross the boarder from north to south and they will warn you to go back but you ignore and try to claim to put the greek flag down in same time in the army area . what do you think it will happen . or imagine same think happening in any other country border. thats the rule. in usa people get shot for stupid reasons and everywhere in the world. i didnt make the rules . 3 million (3000000) dead in iraq and u gonna tell me humanity. uk kiled the brezilian guy because he was running away from the police. everywhere happening . but people try to use this that GCs hate TCs and same to us


Its hard to get through to your mind, who only compares himself to third world lifestyles. Thats why its hard to see eye to eye, because you posses third world mentality that refuses to debate for change in the RIGHT direction.
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Postby RichardB » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:19 pm

GAVCARoCOM wrote:Brezillian guy shot 8 times . in United kingdom who did it ??? police


Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian electrician mistakenly gunned down by anti-terrorist police at Stockwell tube station, was shot eight times, an inquest was told today.
Mr De Menezes, 27, died on Friday, the day after the failed suicide bombings on London's transport network. Details of how he died were confirmed by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

An inquest, which was opened into his death earlier today at Southwark coroners court, heard that he was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder.

Eyewitnesses to the shooting had reported he had been shot five times after failing to stop when challenged by the plain-clothes officers. His family are considering legal action.

Speaking at a press conference in central London, the Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman, Nick Hardwick, confirmed that the commission had begun an investigation into the shooting.

"We enter this with open minds, as we search for the truth, and we have accepted the full cooperation of the Metropolitan police service, which they have pledged," he said.

Mr Hardwick confirmed that the officers involved in the shooting had already given an account of what happened, but said they could be interviewed by the IPCC team in the future.

"We don't start from the assumption that we are investigating a crime here. We are looking for the truth," he said.

Arrangements are being made so that the victim's family can be kept up to date with the progress of the investigation.

Tony Blair said he was "desperately sorry" about Mr De Menezes'death, but added that police officers, who are hunting for four would-be suicide bombers, were working in "very difficult circumstances".

The prime minister spoke about the shooting for the first time today in a Downing Street news conference alongside his French counterpart, Dominique de Villepin.

"We are all desperately sorry for the death of an innocent person, and I understand entirely the feelings of the young man's family," Mr Blair said. "But we also have to understand the police are doing their job in very, very difficult circumstances.

"Had the circumstances been different and had this turned out to be a terrorist, and they had failed to take that action, they would have been criticised the other way."

Alex Pereira, a cousin of Mr Menezes, said the police "have to pay" for the mistake.

When asked whether the family was taking legal action, he told BBC Breakfast: "They have to pay for that in many ways because, if they do not, they are going to kill many people, they are going to kill thousands of people.

"They just kill the first person they see, that's what they did ... they killed my cousin, they could kill anyone."

Earlier, he said he wanted to show people that police "could have stopped" Mr Menezes before he caught a bus to Stockwell from Tulse Hill, also in south London.

"They killed him here because they had to show off," he said. "Police had plenty of time to stop him - if they were so afraid of a bomb, why did they let him get on the bus?"

At Scotland Yard, around 30 protesters, including friends of Mr Menezes, gathered and sang the Brazilian national anthem.

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Ian Blair, expressed "deep regrets" over the killing, and said the force accepted "full responsibility".

However, he last night defended the "shoot-to-kill" policy for dealing with suspected suicide bombers, arguing that it was necessary to shoot suspects in the head if it was feared they might set off a bomb on their body.

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, will meet his Brazilian counterpart, Celso Amorim, in London tonight to apologise for the shooting.

Speaking prior to the meeting, Mr Amorim, who was in London on a visit planned before the death of Mr Menezes, who had been living in London for three years, said: "The Brazilian government and the public are shocked and perplexed that a peaceful and innocent person should have been killed."

Mr Menezes was followed by police who were part of a surveillance team that had been watching the Tulse Hill flats after the block's address was found in one of four backpacks involved in last week's failed attacks.

He was tailed when he boarded a bus, and police decided to intervene when he approached the tube station.

Officers said a contributory factor to Mr Menezes being shot was his chunky top, which they said could have concealed a bomb and was out of place on a warm day.

But the victim's friend Fausto Soares said: "We come from a hot country and this is a cold country. I wear my jacket 365 days a year. I'm wearing a jacket now, and after what's happened I don't feel safe."

He said he did not know why Mr Menezes had apparently tried to flee onto a train when challenged by undercover armed police at the entrance to Stockwell station.

"What we want to know is why they threw him on the floor and shot him in the head five times," he said.

The Home Office today refused to comment on reports that Mr Menezes had been in Britain on an out-of-date visa.


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And after a detailed investigation the Police admitted responsibility

Notice the difference
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Postby GAVCARoCOM » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:26 pm

does it make difference ??? lifes will not come back . but imagine one happened which the guy didnt do anything at all at underground station which is a public place and not an army area
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Postby CanDiaz » Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:29 pm

Brittania wrote:now now my little asian, language, language.
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honestly, these illegal immigrants come to this island and behave in the most atrocious way! :roll:


The troll returns.

Your one for pointing fingers especially after your police force shot that Brazilian at Stockwell station, over absolutely nothing, then lied about it & then got caught out lying, so what happened in that perfect government of yours?
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