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ECHR: CASE OF SOLOMOU v. TURKEY

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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:59 pm

lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:In england they haev suicied by police. maybe Slomou did suicied by Turkish solders. nobody think like this but belive me in england peeople deliberatly provoke police and pretent they carri gun and get shot so they die. Solomou did this i think.


Sure, if you pretend that you have a gun in your pocket or pull out a joy gun and point to the police. What the hell did these murdered victims have that was so threatening, a lit cigarette.!!

STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND START CONDEMING THESE BRUTAL MURDERS, OR ELSE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO DID THE KILLINGS.


I dont say what the Tcs did is right. I dont say i am happy he die. i agree with you taht the shoting was wrong and the man who pull triger is gulty. what i say is maybe Solomou new that somebody shhoot himand he die, i read he was upset because sombody from hes familly die before one week or somthing.

Mr Kikapu, Tcs done wrong to you and you done wrong to Tc. Both now must try for beter futuer.



Hi lover. Kikapu IS a TC.


I know that will come as a shock to him Deniz.!! :lol:


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



lover boy, are you ok?
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:19 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:In england they haev suicied by police. maybe Slomou did suicied by Turkish solders. nobody think like this but belive me in england peeople deliberatly provoke police and pretent they carri gun and get shot so they die. Solomou did this i think.


Sure, if you pretend that you have a gun in your pocket or pull out a joy gun and point to the police. What the hell did these murdered victims have that was so threatening, a lit cigarette.!!

STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND START CONDEMING THESE BRUTAL MURDERS, OR ELSE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO DID THE KILLINGS.


I dont say what the Tcs did is right. I dont say i am happy he die. i agree with you taht the shoting was wrong and the man who pull triger is gulty. what i say is maybe Solomou new that somebody shhoot himand he die, i read he was upset because sombody from hes familly die before one week or somthing.

Mr Kikapu, Tcs done wrong to you and you done wrong to Tc. Both now must try for beter futuer.



Hi lover. Kikapu IS a TC.


I know that will come as a shock to him Deniz.!! :lol:


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



lover boy, are you ok?


You should be less direct with these newbies next time Deniz. :lol:

I feel awful, that he may have blown a fuse in his brain trying to understand what the hell happened when all the LIGHTS went out after reading my post.!! :lol:

He's all right. He'll be back later, but with a bad hangover, I'm sure. :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:49 pm

Kikapu wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
lovernomore wrote:In england they haev suicied by police. maybe Slomou did suicied by Turkish solders. nobody think like this but belive me in england peeople deliberatly provoke police and pretent they carri gun and get shot so they die. Solomou did this i think.


Sure, if you pretend that you have a gun in your pocket or pull out a joy gun and point to the police. What the hell did these murdered victims have that was so threatening, a lit cigarette.!!

STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES AND START CONDEMING THESE BRUTAL MURDERS, OR ELSE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THOSE WHO DID THE KILLINGS.


I dont say what the Tcs did is right. I dont say i am happy he die. i agree with you taht the shoting was wrong and the man who pull triger is gulty. what i say is maybe Solomou new that somebody shhoot himand he die, i read he was upset because sombody from hes familly die before one week or somthing.

Mr Kikapu, Tcs done wrong to you and you done wrong to Tc. Both now must try for beter futuer.



Hi lover. Kikapu IS a TC.


I know that will come as a shock to him Deniz.!! :lol:


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



lover boy, are you ok?


You should be less direct with these newbies next time Deniz. :lol:

I feel awful, that he may have blown a fuse in his brain trying to understand what the hell happened when all the LIGHTS went out after reading my post.!! :lol:

He's all right. He'll be back later, but with a bad hangover, I'm sure. :lol:



I am always told that I am dobra, dobra. :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:00 am

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Your are letting your emotions rule your head, look at it from this angle was soloman breaking the law by rioting entering the buffer zone and trying to rip down a flag? was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border?


He may have broken trespassing laws, but who's laws did he break, the UN's, the RoC's or a illegal state, the "trnc" which he obviously had no respect for. As far as he was concerned, he was in his own country, regardless of what the situation was in front of his eyes. So then he climbs the flag pole to tear down the flag of the occupying force. So what.? Is it in your penal code, that such incidences gives the right to anyone with the gun to be Judge, Jury and the Executioner, because that's exactly how they behaved. What about the one who got his brains beat all over the "Green Line" what was his crime exactly. Was his crime also in your penal code as well.

Then you ask "was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border". YES, they are guilty, because there were no borders then, and there are no borders now. It is called the "Green Line" which the UN is present to see problems does not occur. If what you believe was a justifiable killing just by crossing into the "Green Zone", then you would have had no problem had the GC soldiers executed the 3 TC police officers who wondered into the "Green Zone" when the Ledra street was opened recently and closed briefly subsequently. So what you think VP, should the three TC police officers been gunned down because they wondered towards the south.???

Then you have been using terms which is laughable even to the most uneducated and morons, when you use the term, "he was infiltrating" into the "trnc". :lol: :lol:

You right VP, he was going to ûse the flag pole as a "vault", to get over the wall. :lol: :lol:

You are nothing but a paid Propagandist who has no shame or principles as long as you are getting paid like a WHORE to try and make justifications of these murders and do as you are told.

I can't see any other reasons for your actions..............sorry.!!


So once we get past all your insults and degrading remarks what you are saying is that he had every right to riot, go through the buffer, ignore the UN, all the warnings and climb up a pole to rip down the flag of his enemy? because he did not recognize the TRNC or its borders police or laws, yet when it suits you accuse non exisistent police and government officials for shooting him with non exsistent bullets.

Soloman was breaking the law in all respects his punishment should not have been death which I have stated before but you seem to be having problems with accepting the facts that Soloman was mentally unstable and jumped into the fire and got burnt by of course a non "existent flame".


Actually VP, the bullets were real.!!!

What insults did I throw at you VP.?? Are you going to deny, that you are not a Paid Propagandist in the north for specific party.??

Am I going to challenge you on this one also, to tell us the truth, if you have the BALLS that is, that you really are a Paid Propagandist.??

You failed the last question put to you, so lets see how you will do this time.!!

Only, this time I will not let you get away so easy with your answer, if you say NO.!!!

Think very carefully in what you say, that's all.


.

NO/HAYIR/OHI I am noway a paid propagandist, what are you willing to bet if you are proven wrong? I have met your challenge many times only to find you shit yourself make feable excuses that only you believe and run away with your tail between your legs.

HODRI MEYDAN....the gauntlet has get again been slapped in your face.

The whole forum can see your warped mentality when you ask "what insults did I throw at you VP.??" and you proceed to post them in your post, crazy stuff you appear to be believing your own shit yet again.
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Postby christos1 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:24 am

If Kikapu is a Turkish Cypriot then i highly doubt he lives in the puppet north. There is no way his views would be taken well by that population.

I will like to add a few things before i go back to lurking.

VP stated something about the Cypriot Republic meeting the criteria of joining the EU or something to that affect. VP, please pay attention to what i said. What i said was that Cyprus was a Net contributor to the EU and what that is it gives more money to the EU than it takes from the EU. It is Cyprus and a few others who are considered "Net contributors" and i dont think i am exaggerating when i say that if your society joins us that this Republic will no longer be a Net contributor and even worse it would in fact be a welfare State. And many Turks/TCs in here have said that they dont really care for joining the EU and would rather be looking eastward. I heard it before in this forum and VP in this thread correctly stated "I really do not believe Turkey is a European nation". I was a bit perplexed with Observer's comment when he stated "It only needs a 'Sieg Heil' at the end" of my comment. I am not the only person who thinks that Middle easterners including Turks are backward fundamentalists/nationalist people. Is that offensive? Why? Is the middle east the center of the world's democracy? Please, by all means, feel free to worship king Denktash for his many years of service to your cause or any other dictatorship that rules for decades in the middle east that offers you NO freedom of religion, NO freedom of speech, NO freedom of the press and so on and so forth--that is your right. But is my portrayal of the middle easterners being backward fundamentalists/nationalist really that inaccurate? I can see some Greek Cypriots rolling their eyes right about now..why is he bringing up Middle east blablabla. I am bringing it up because we are dealing with the Turks who have a middle eastern mentality. The what-if scenario i gave was not far fetched and i thought of it when the Cypriot press was reporting (i think last year) the story of the Greek Cypriot officers treating a Greek Cypriot youth in a very physical manner. It was the response from the TCs/Turks who were posting comments on the net that made me really think wow, if this individual was a TC, instead of letting the legal process take its course, we would have had a full blown riot.


BTW Do to Cyprus proximity to the middle east, not only would i want the British bases to stay on this island, i would invite the French in as well. Ok, I had enough with this. Dont worry, i wont be posting again for a long time much to the relief of the GCs and TCs in here.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:10 am

christos1 wrote:If Kikapu is a Turkish Cypriot then i highly doubt he lives in the puppet north. There is no way his views would be taken well by that population.

I will like to add a few things before i go back to lurking.

VP stated something about the Cypriot Republic meeting the criteria of joining the EU or something to that affect. VP, please pay attention to what i said. What i said was that Cyprus was a Net contributor to the EU and what that is it gives more money to the EU than it takes from the EU. It is Cyprus and a few others who are considered "Net contributors" and i dont think i am exaggerating when i say that if your society joins us that this Republic will no longer be a Net contributor and even worse it would in fact be a welfare State. And many Turks/TCs in here have said that they dont really care for joining the EU and would rather be looking eastward. I heard it before in this forum and VP in this thread correctly stated "I really do not believe Turkey is a European nation". I was a bit perplexed with Observer's comment when he stated "It only needs a 'Sieg Heil' at the end" of my comment. I am not the only person who thinks that Middle easterners including Turks are backward fundamentalists/nationalist people. Is that offensive? Why? Is the middle east the center of the world's democracy? Please, by all means, feel free to worship king Denktash for his many years of service to your cause or any other dictatorship that rules for decades in the middle east that offers you NO freedom of religion, NO freedom of speech, NO freedom of the press and so on and so forth--that is your right. But is my portrayal of the middle easterners being backward fundamentalists/nationalist really that inaccurate? I can see some Greek Cypriots rolling their eyes right about now..why is he bringing up Middle east blablabla. I am bringing it up because we are dealing with the Turks who have a middle eastern mentality. The what-if scenario i gave was not far fetched and i thought of it when the Cypriot press was reporting (i think last year) the story of the Greek Cypriot officers treating a Greek Cypriot youth in a very physical manner. It was the response from the TCs/Turks who were posting comments on the net that made me really think wow, if this individual was a TC, instead of letting the legal process take its course, we would have had a full blown riot.


BTW Do to Cyprus proximity to the middle east, not only would i want the British bases to stay on this island, i would invite the French in as well. Ok, I had enough with this. Dont worry, i wont be posting again for a long time much to the relief of the GCs and TCs in here.


So let's get this right, because TCs have a middle eastern mentality GCs should not unite with them? isn't that the same thing we have said all along division. In a round about way and for your own reasons you support our argument that we cannot live and work together because are goal and expectations are totally different and that agreed partition is the only way forward.
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Postby Brittania » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:29 am

Viewpoint wrote:
christos1 wrote:If Kikapu is a Turkish Cypriot then i highly doubt he lives in the puppet north. There is no way his views would be taken well by that population.

I will like to add a few things before i go back to lurking.

VP stated something about the Cypriot Republic meeting the criteria of joining the EU or something to that affect. VP, please pay attention to what i said. What i said was that Cyprus was a Net contributor to the EU and what that is it gives more money to the EU than it takes from the EU. It is Cyprus and a few others who are considered "Net contributors" and i dont think i am exaggerating when i say that if your society joins us that this Republic will no longer be a Net contributor and even worse it would in fact be a welfare State. And many Turks/TCs in here have said that they dont really care for joining the EU and would rather be looking eastward. I heard it before in this forum and VP in this thread correctly stated "I really do not believe Turkey is a European nation". I was a bit perplexed with Observer's comment when he stated "It only needs a 'Sieg Heil' at the end" of my comment. I am not the only person who thinks that Middle easterners including Turks are backward fundamentalists/nationalist people. Is that offensive? Why? Is the middle east the center of the world's democracy? Please, by all means, feel free to worship king Denktash for his many years of service to your cause or any other dictatorship that rules for decades in the middle east that offers you NO freedom of religion, NO freedom of speech, NO freedom of the press and so on and so forth--that is your right. But is my portrayal of the middle easterners being backward fundamentalists/nationalist really that inaccurate? I can see some Greek Cypriots rolling their eyes right about now..why is he bringing up Middle east blablabla. I am bringing it up because we are dealing with the Turks who have a middle eastern mentality. The what-if scenario i gave was not far fetched and i thought of it when the Cypriot press was reporting (i think last year) the story of the Greek Cypriot officers treating a Greek Cypriot youth in a very physical manner. It was the response from the TCs/Turks who were posting comments on the net that made me really think wow, if this individual was a TC, instead of letting the legal process take its course, we would have had a full blown riot.


BTW Do to Cyprus proximity to the middle east, not only would i want the British bases to stay on this island, i would invite the French in as well. Ok, I had enough with this. Dont worry, i wont be posting again for a long time much to the relief of the GCs and TCs in here.


So let's get this right, because TCs have a middle eastern mentality GCs should not unite with them? isn't that the same thing we have said all along division. In a round about way and for your own reasons you support our argument that we cannot live and work together because are goal and expectations are totally different and that agreed partition is the only way forward.


VP you'd accept being called a Martian if it meant you'd get to keep a part of this island for yourself.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:46 am

Brittania wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
christos1 wrote:If Kikapu is a Turkish Cypriot then i highly doubt he lives in the puppet north. There is no way his views would be taken well by that population.

I will like to add a few things before i go back to lurking.

VP stated something about the Cypriot Republic meeting the criteria of joining the EU or something to that affect. VP, please pay attention to what i said. What i said was that Cyprus was a Net contributor to the EU and what that is it gives more money to the EU than it takes from the EU. It is Cyprus and a few others who are considered "Net contributors" and i dont think i am exaggerating when i say that if your society joins us that this Republic will no longer be a Net contributor and even worse it would in fact be a welfare State. And many Turks/TCs in here have said that they dont really care for joining the EU and would rather be looking eastward. I heard it before in this forum and VP in this thread correctly stated "I really do not believe Turkey is a European nation". I was a bit perplexed with Observer's comment when he stated "It only needs a 'Sieg Heil' at the end" of my comment. I am not the only person who thinks that Middle easterners including Turks are backward fundamentalists/nationalist people. Is that offensive? Why? Is the middle east the center of the world's democracy? Please, by all means, feel free to worship king Denktash for his many years of service to your cause or any other dictatorship that rules for decades in the middle east that offers you NO freedom of religion, NO freedom of speech, NO freedom of the press and so on and so forth--that is your right. But is my portrayal of the middle easterners being backward fundamentalists/nationalist really that inaccurate? I can see some Greek Cypriots rolling their eyes right about now..why is he bringing up Middle east blablabla. I am bringing it up because we are dealing with the Turks who have a middle eastern mentality. The what-if scenario i gave was not far fetched and i thought of it when the Cypriot press was reporting (i think last year) the story of the Greek Cypriot officers treating a Greek Cypriot youth in a very physical manner. It was the response from the TCs/Turks who were posting comments on the net that made me really think wow, if this individual was a TC, instead of letting the legal process take its course, we would have had a full blown riot.


BTW Do to Cyprus proximity to the middle east, not only would i want the British bases to stay on this island, i would invite the French in as well. Ok, I had enough with this. Dont worry, i wont be posting again for a long time much to the relief of the GCs and TCs in here.


So let's get this right, because TCs have a middle eastern mentality GCs should not unite with them? isn't that the same thing we have said all along division. In a round about way and for your own reasons you support our argument that we cannot live and work together because are goal and expectations are totally different and that agreed partition is the only way forward.


VP you'd accept being called a Martian if it meant you'd get to keep a part of this island for yourself.


Sticks and stones do not change anything, reality is we are divided and without a solution you have lost 37% of the island and I may remain unrecognized.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:04 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
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Your are letting your emotions rule your head, look at it from this angle was soloman breaking the law by rioting entering the buffer zone and trying to rip down a flag? was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border?


He may have broken trespassing laws, but who's laws did he break, the UN's, the RoC's or a illegal state, the "trnc" which he obviously had no respect for. As far as he was concerned, he was in his own country, regardless of what the situation was in front of his eyes. So then he climbs the flag pole to tear down the flag of the occupying force. So what.? Is it in your penal code, that such incidences gives the right to anyone with the gun to be Judge, Jury and the Executioner, because that's exactly how they behaved. What about the one who got his brains beat all over the "Green Line" what was his crime exactly. Was his crime also in your penal code as well.

Then you ask "was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border". YES, they are guilty, because there were no borders then, and there are no borders now. It is called the "Green Line" which the UN is present to see problems does not occur. If what you believe was a justifiable killing just by crossing into the "Green Zone", then you would have had no problem had the GC soldiers executed the 3 TC police officers who wondered into the "Green Zone" when the Ledra street was opened recently and closed briefly subsequently. So what you think VP, should the three TC police officers been gunned down because they wondered towards the south.???

Then you have been using terms which is laughable even to the most uneducated and morons, when you use the term, "he was infiltrating" into the "trnc". :lol: :lol:

You right VP, he was going to ûse the flag pole as a "vault", to get over the wall. :lol: :lol:

You are nothing but a paid Propagandist who has no shame or principles as long as you are getting paid like a WHORE to try and make justifications of these murders and do as you are told.

I can't see any other reasons for your actions..............sorry.!!


So once we get past all your insults and degrading remarks what you are saying is that he had every right to riot, go through the buffer, ignore the UN, all the warnings and climb up a pole to rip down the flag of his enemy? because he did not recognize the TRNC or its borders police or laws, yet when it suits you accuse non exisistent police and government officials for shooting him with non exsistent bullets.

Soloman was breaking the law in all respects his punishment should not have been death which I have stated before but you seem to be having problems with accepting the facts that Soloman was mentally unstable and jumped into the fire and got burnt by of course a non "existent flame".


Actually VP, the bullets were real.!!!

What insults did I throw at you VP.?? Are you going to deny, that you are not a Paid Propagandist in the north for specific party.??

Am I going to challenge you on this one also, to tell us the truth, if you have the BALLS that is, that you really are a Paid Propagandist.??

You failed the last question put to you, so lets see how you will do this time.!!

Only, this time I will not let you get away so easy with your answer, if you say NO.!!!

Think very carefully in what you say, that's all.


.

NO/HAYIR/OHI I am noway a paid propagandist, what are you willing to bet if you are proven wrong? I have met your challenge many times only to find you shit yourself make feable excuses that only you believe and run away with your tail between your legs.

HODRI MEYDAN....the gauntlet has get again been slapped in your face.

The whole forum can see your warped mentality when you ask "what insults did I throw at you VP.??" and you proceed to post them in your post, crazy stuff you appear to be believing your own shit yet again.



So Kikapu?
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Your are letting your emotions rule your head, look at it from this angle was soloman breaking the law by rioting entering the buffer zone and trying to rip down a flag? was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border?


He may have broken trespassing laws, but who's laws did he break, the UN's, the RoC's or a illegal state, the "trnc" which he obviously had no respect for. As far as he was concerned, he was in his own country, regardless of what the situation was in front of his eyes. So then he climbs the flag pole to tear down the flag of the occupying force. So what.? Is it in your penal code, that such incidences gives the right to anyone with the gun to be Judge, Jury and the Executioner, because that's exactly how they behaved. What about the one who got his brains beat all over the "Green Line" what was his crime exactly. Was his crime also in your penal code as well.

Then you ask "was the people who shot him guilty of defending their border". YES, they are guilty, because there were no borders then, and there are no borders now. It is called the "Green Line" which the UN is present to see problems does not occur. If what you believe was a justifiable killing just by crossing into the "Green Zone", then you would have had no problem had the GC soldiers executed the 3 TC police officers who wondered into the "Green Zone" when the Ledra street was opened recently and closed briefly subsequently. So what you think VP, should the three TC police officers been gunned down because they wondered towards the south.???

Then you have been using terms which is laughable even to the most uneducated and morons, when you use the term, "he was infiltrating" into the "trnc". :lol: :lol:

You right VP, he was going to ûse the flag pole as a "vault", to get over the wall. :lol: :lol:

You are nothing but a paid Propagandist who has no shame or principles as long as you are getting paid like a WHORE to try and make justifications of these murders and do as you are told.

I can't see any other reasons for your actions..............sorry.!!


So once we get past all your insults and degrading remarks what you are saying is that he had every right to riot, go through the buffer, ignore the UN, all the warnings and climb up a pole to rip down the flag of his enemy? because he did not recognize the TRNC or its borders police or laws, yet when it suits you accuse non exisistent police and government officials for shooting him with non exsistent bullets.

Soloman was breaking the law in all respects his punishment should not have been death which I have stated before but you seem to be having problems with accepting the facts that Soloman was mentally unstable and jumped into the fire and got burnt by of course a non "existent flame".


Actually VP, the bullets were real.!!!

What insults did I throw at you VP.?? Are you going to deny, that you are not a Paid Propagandist in the north for specific party.??

Am I going to challenge you on this one also, to tell us the truth, if you have the BALLS that is, that you really are a Paid Propagandist.??

You failed the last question put to you, so lets see how you will do this time.!!

Only, this time I will not let you get away so easy with your answer, if you say NO.!!!

Think very carefully in what you say, that's all.


.

NO/HAYIR/OHI I am noway a paid propagandist, what are you willing to bet if you are proven wrong? I have met your challenge many times only to find you shit yourself make feable excuses that only you believe and run away with your tail between your legs.

HODRI MEYDAN....the gauntlet has get again been slapped in your face.

The whole forum can see your warped mentality when you ask "what insults did I throw at you VP.??" and you proceed to post them in your post, crazy stuff you appear to be believing your own shit yet again.



So Kikapu?


Where are your balls Kikapu, all talk and no real substance.
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