Any chance we can get this back on topic please? Much as I love History, I don't need to be hearing about the Ottoman Empire and the 'Venedicians' in here...
Quite so Mag
I still want to hear some more personal reasons from gav.
Gav - Look to make it easy - fill in this form>
Name .... Car.com
Real name.... Gavin
Address .....See I told you i win its not TCs it GCs
Place/date of birth...the english soldier he said it...
Name and Address of your bank....why you dont want our fish
Your mother's maiden name...i nevre spend money insoth again
Name of your first school...university of central bedlam
Have you served in the Turkish Army...my grand granfather was a grenal
Which town are you from...who are you i speak friends with yuo
What is your fav. Cy food....fresh fish,,why you not buy?
Bank account number...747474 itell yuo this amillion once time before
What languages do you speak turkish , engilsh greeeek and why you pretend yuo freind
.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:32 am
Magnus
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RichardB wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Magnus wrote:
Any chance we can get this back on topic please? Much as I love History, I don't need to be hearing about the Ottoman Empire and the 'Venedicians' in here...
Quite so Mag
I still want to hear some more personal reasons from gav.
Gav - Look to make it easy - fill in this form>
Name .... Car.com
Real name.... Gavin
Address .....See I told you i win its not TCs it GCs
Place/date of birth...the english soldier he said it...
Name and Address of your bank....why you dont want our fish
Your mother's maiden name...i nevre spend money insoth again
Name of your first school...university of central bedlam
Have you served in the Turkish Army...my grand granfather was a grenal
Which town are you from...who are you i speak friends with yuo
What is your fav. Cy food....fresh fish,,why you not buy?
Bank account number...747474 itell yuo this amillion once time before
What languages do you speak turkish , engilsh greeeek and why you pretend yuo freind
.
That is without a doubt the most hilarious thing I have seen on this forum. Well done that man.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:35 am
bill cobbett
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Magnus wrote:
RichardB wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Magnus wrote:
Any chance we can get this back on topic please? Much as I love History, I don't need to be hearing about the Ottoman Empire and the 'Venedicians' in here...
Quite so Mag
I still want to hear some more personal reasons from gav.
Gav - Look to make it easy - fill in this form>
Name .... Car.com
Real name.... Gavin
Address .....See I told you i win its not TCs it GCs
Place/date of birth...the english soldier he said it...
Name and Address of your bank....why you dont want our fish
Your mother's maiden name...i nevre spend money insoth again
Name of your first school...university of central bedlam
Have you served in the Turkish Army...my grand granfather was a grenal
Which town are you from...who are you i speak friends with yuo
What is your fav. Cy food....fresh fish,,why you not buy?
Bank account number...747474 itell yuo this amillion once time before
What languages do you speak turkish , engilsh greeeek and why you pretend yuo freind
.
That is without a doubt the most hilarious thing I have seen on this forum. Well done that man.
Absolutely brilliant but please stop RB - my gut's bursting
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:35 am
GAVCARoCOM
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GAVCARoCOM wrote:
GAVCARoCOM wrote:
you should now your history correct !!!! then you will realize that the chatholics brainwashed you for crusade. ottomans were great empire which they give freedom to all citizens and it was the real democracy . why you never have any evidence that from 1571 300 years you dont have any complain to ottoman empire . ottomans gave you freedom from the venetians.
It must be remembered that the Venetians were foreign feudal landlords in Cyprus, and the first step of the Ottoman governors was to abolish the feudal system, giving the freehold of the land to the peasant families who had worked it.
The Orthodox Church was freed from centuries of control by the Latin hierarchy and its previous tradition of independence reasserted under a revived archbishopric. On the other hand, the Catholic Church of the Crusader and Venetian rulers were expelled. Its building were confiscated and converted into mosques, or were sold to the Orthodox Church. They also made being Catholic a punishable offence, so Catholics had to choose between conversion to Orthodox Christianity, to Islam, or exile. The majority chose Christianity, but the result was that the population began to take on the ethnic structure it still possesses today, namely Greek and Turkish.
miltiades wrote:
So how come the G/Cs from a mere 20 thousand (forget those killed by the marauding Turks )
reached over half a million then.
Give us an idea where you get your info from , you must have some idea where your ideas derive from !!
as i stated on thop many venetians become muslims and orthodox or expile. now we talking about 500 years . if after ottomans came only 100.000 people here in 300 years till british time easylt this could increase. another most important thing that when british start to rule the island some greece greek moved here as well. even imagine 20.000 real greek orthodox was here and many venetians changed their releigoun to orthodox. even we say 40.000 total and if the population increased 1000 a year easly it could come up to todays 500.000 . and also you can see the cypriots which is about 30% which is very nice people and they dont hate TCs , the most of them knows the truth deep inside of them . Also like papadopulus and the smilar very fachist groops which they wanted enosis and hellenic stuff is the people from mainland greece. the real cyprots the ones which lived here 100s of years and they know how ottoman empire time was great time . but even today you can see some strange points that the ones whoes ancestors are venetians (catholic church) vatikan they took cyprus back . with EU. and when you look the world orthodox and muslims dont have bad past . even today u can see the russians and iranians are close allies. its kind of relegion fight . the greek cypriots in cyprus are the ones real GREEK (the greek gods grandsons)( from the great nation . not macedonian or who knows what they are in the mainland greece)and the turkish cypriots in cyprus the Real ottomans the real turks not like the turkey but the Turkish Cypriots are the ones grandsons of the GREAT NATION of OTTOMAN EMPIRE . i m proud to be
i have to make sure you get this right . Wikipedia is not a good source !!!
turkish wikipedia tell the story from a turkish mouth
english wikipedia tell the story from a Greece mouth (remember all your history books made in greece)
go and search the real history then you should see that TCs are your best friends . not the venetians !!!
from wikipedia "The Greek population of Cyprus were given weapons by their rulers the Venetians and fought the attacking Ottomans."
today " the grandsons of ibrahim doing this " catholics
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:39 am
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you should now your history correct !!!! then you will realize that the chatholics brainwashed you for crusade. ottomans were great empire which they give freedom to all citizens and it was the real democracy . why you never have any evidence that from 1571 300 years you dont have any complain to ottoman empire . ottomans gave you freedom from the venetians.
Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol.
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In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.
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Reaction to Turkish misrule caused uprisings, but Greek Cypriots were not strong enough to prevail.
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During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.
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Various Cypriot movements arose after the 1830s, aimed at gaining greater selfgovernment , but, because the imperial treasury took most of the island's wealth and because local officials were often corrupt, reform efforts failed. Cypriots had little recourse to the courts because Christian testimony was rarely accepted.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:43 am
GAVCARoCOM
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Are you mad !!!!! people please check his link !!!! do u beleive evreything whats on the net !!!!
do you beleive the jews . who are they . how many years history they have. ask persians , ask greeks (pontus) , ask people who have 1000s of years history.check the ottoman archives. go westminster and check the british archives.
you telling me the just couple hundred year old usa (jews) will know our history better then us.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:46 am
purdey
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Hello Gav I'm one...at the moment I only have 49 years of wisdom to pass on.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:48 am
denizaksulu
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purdey wrote:
Hello Gav I'm one...at the moment I only have 49 years of wisdom to pass on.
Shalom Aleyhem Purdey (will Gav get it?)
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:48 am
Magnus
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Gavcar,
Please, please, please, please, please stop posting all this stuff about the Ottoman Empire in this thread. If you really want to talk about them then just create your own thread and I'm sure lots of people will be happy to come and discuss them with you.
Also, you don't need to post the actual YouTube video, a link will be fine.
Thank you.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:53 am
GAVCARoCOM
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Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Posts: 1929
Location: LONDON PARIS KYRENIA
Magnus wrote:
Gavcar,
Please, please, please, please, please stop posting all this stuff about the Ottoman Empire in this thread. If you really want to talk about them then just create your own thread and I'm sure lots of people will be happy to come and discuss them with you.
Also, you don't need to post the actual YouTube video, a link will be fine.
Thank you.
about fcreating new one will be fine. but youtube u cant decide !!!
u cant handle the truths
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