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Postby halil » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:11 am

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GAVCARoCOM wrote:i have british , RoC and TRNC passport :wink:


Well that's what I call edging your bets and being prepared for any eventuality.

The mind boggles with how many TC's have ROC passports and ID cards ~ there's nothing wrong with this in a legal sense but considering the problems and the supposed general feelings of TC's I feel it's wrong in a moral sense .

It's very much a case of having your cake and eating others cake too.

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didn't you know that Turkish Cypriots had a Cyprus identification cards before 74 mine was from 1971 . and i was the 526000 citizen of the ROC.
and on mine at nationality it says Turkish Cypriot not like new one says Cypriot .
i will scan and paste it here to prove it .
Before 74 TC's population was 120 000 . these are the officia numbers .

TC's does not eating others cake .... foreigners like you or others are eating i can say .... and keep blaming all the time the TC's .... we have every rights on this island like other citizens of the Cyprus ..... we were equal partner of the ROC .... you have no rights to question about our doings ....
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:30 am

Be careful there, Halil, about who is eating whose cake. I am a self-employed foreigner living in the RoC and pay into the social insurance scheme. However, my income is too high to qualify for free medical treatment. On the other hand, all TCs regardless of their income qualify for free medical treatment in the RoC without having to pay contributions. In effect, I am helping to pay for something that TCs get for free, and to which I am not entitled. I am happy about this situation because of the wider political ramifications, but don't push it gumbaro.
I hope to see you on Thursday.
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Postby Brittania » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:35 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Be careful there, Halil, about who is eating whose cake. I am a self-employed foreigner living in the RoC and pay into the social insurance scheme. However, my income is too high to qualify for free medical treatment. On the other hand, all TCs regardless of their income qualify for free medical treatment in the RoC without having to pay contributions. In effect, I am helping to pay for something that TCs get for free, and to which I am not entitled. I am happy about this situation because of the wider political ramifications, but don't push it gumbaro.
I hope to see you on Thursday.

How come they get passports and hospital care without paying taxes? You must be mistaken.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:40 am

Brittania wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Be careful there, Halil, about who is eating whose cake. I am a self-employed foreigner living in the RoC and pay into the social insurance scheme. However, my income is too high to qualify for free medical treatment. On the other hand, all TCs regardless of their income qualify for free medical treatment in the RoC without having to pay contributions. In effect, I am helping to pay for something that TCs get for free, and to which I am not entitled. I am happy about this situation because of the wider political ramifications, but don't push it gumbaro.
I hope to see you on Thursday.

How come they get passports and hospital care without paying taxes? You must be mistaken.


No, I am not. All citizens of the RoC enjoy these rights. Since the authorities have no way of checking how much people living in the north earn, all TCs living in the north currently get free medical treatment.
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Postby Brittania » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:46 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Brittania wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Be careful there, Halil, about who is eating whose cake. I am a self-employed foreigner living in the RoC and pay into the social insurance scheme. However, my income is too high to qualify for free medical treatment. On the other hand, all TCs regardless of their income qualify for free medical treatment in the RoC without having to pay contributions. In effect, I am helping to pay for something that TCs get for free, and to which I am not entitled. I am happy about this situation because of the wider political ramifications, but don't push it gumbaro.
I hope to see you on Thursday.

How come they get passports and hospital care without paying taxes? You must be mistaken.


No, I am not. All citizens of the RoC enjoy these rights. Since the authorities have no way of checking how much people living in the north earn, all TCs living in the north currently get free medical treatment.


Why haven't the gc's reacted against this yet?
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Postby halil » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:56 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Be careful there, Halil, about who is eating whose cake. I am a self-employed foreigner living in the RoC and pay into the social insurance scheme. However, my income is too high to qualify for free medical treatment. On the other hand, all TCs regardless of their income qualify for free medical treatment in the RoC without having to pay contributions. In effect, I am helping to pay for something that TCs get for free, and to which I am not entitled. I am happy about this situation because of the wider political ramifications, but don't push it gumbaro.
I hope to see you on Thursday.


İf they eats some ones cake Tim , it is a only political game .

Tim , my father was registered worker at ROC before 63 . he was paid all his social insurances for ROC before 60 he was paid to British . What happened to his savings ? .who got his money . We never been to ROC hospitals . May be those people who gets these benefits from their savings . İ never intersted with these issues .

we will meet at thursday gumbaro . i am not after to pushing something some times you can't control yourself .
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Postby Bill » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:01 pm

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Bill ,
didn't you know that Turkish Cypriots had a Cyprus identification cards before 74 mine was from 1971 . and i was the 526000 citizen of the ROC.
and on mine at nationality it says Turkish Cypriot not like new one says Cypriot .
i will scan and paste it here to prove it .
Before 74 TC's population was 120 000 . these are the officia numbers .

TC's does not eating others cake .... foreigners like you or others are eating i can say .... and keep blaming all the time the TC's .... we have every rights on this island like other citizens of the Cyprus ..... we were equal partner of the ROC .... you have no rights to question about our doings ....


I'm well aware that TC's had ROC ID cards pre 74 so there is no need to scan it just for me but if you feel the need there's no problem in you doing so.

The comment I made was directed at Gav as he seems prepared for any eventuality and has the passport to prove it .

Now you seem to be going off at a tangent regarding my thoughts about Turkish Cypriots ~ as far as I'm concerned they are a part of Cyprus and I have no problems with them ~ sadly the settlers and the 40,000 Turkish military presence are not ~ as I mentioned in a previous thread you could cut that 40,000 down by 75% and still have no real reduction in your perceived protection from the Greek Cypriots ~ as for the settlers could you please tell me honestly why they are here .

Now lets take some of your statements and answer them.
TC's do not eat others cake

Strange that when I went to get my ID card the office was full of Turkish Cypriots applying for their cards and when I commented to the girl on the desk how busy she was she commented that the passport office is just as busy.

Now if you are so happy with your lot in the TRNC why apply for Greek Cypriot documents ~ that is having your cake and nibbling at others too.


foreigners like you or others are eating i can say .... and keep blaming all the time the TC's .

I think that you are way off the mark here as most foreigners living in the ROC couldn't care less about the Turkish Cypriots or the Greek Cypriots and their problems ~ and to be quite honest neither do the foreigners living in he north ~ whilst they may take a passing interest they don't have much interest in politics and came here for better life irrespective of what the political situation around them is.

foreigners coming to a country usually bring prosperity .
Even more so in Cyprus as most chose to retire here and bring a great deal of money to be spent in Cyprus .

You have certainly made a killing selling off properties in the north most of which were not yours to sell ~ so instead of foreigners eating your cake it's more the case of the foreigners providing the cake for you to eat

The only blame I can lay at the TC's is the wholesale selling off of GC properties and I've commented on this many times on the forum plus your willingness to accept Turkish rule ~ you are effectively prisoners in your own land.

Wait a few years until the settlers start out numbering the true Turkish Cypriots and watch your culture change ~ it will no longer be your promised land and will become "just" part of Turkey.

To be quite honest I can't see much difference in being a minority under Greek Cypriot rule or a minority under Turkish rule


we were equal partner of the ROC

Lets say you were but a invasion and the creation of a separate state has altered things ~ with a less than 30% of the population I always thought a 50/50 split was strange .

you have no rights to question about our doings

Even as a foreigner living in Cyprus and having a interest here gives me the right to question what goes on here ~ just the same as a TC or GC would have the right to question / discuss polices / events if they were living in the UK for example.

Personally I don't agree that TC's should have free treatment ( if this is correct) in the ROC's hospitals if they don't pay into the system ~ I also didn't agree with the the TC's in the mixed village of Pyla not paying for any council taxes and electricity .

I'm all for fairness in life but when it gets one sided then I see a problem .

As a Turkish Cypriot you have the right to return and live in the ROC any time you wish ~ sadly a Greek Cypriot doesn't have that luxury.

Bill ~ who really would like to see fairness in Cyprus and a viable solution but I doubt if I'll ever see it.
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Postby halil » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:55 pm

Answers to Bill in Reds.

Bill wrote:
halil wrote:
Bill ,
didn't you know that Turkish Cypriots had a Cyprus identification cards before 74 mine was from 1971 . and i was the 526000 citizen of the ROC.
and on mine at nationality it says Turkish Cypriot not like new one says Cypriot .
i will scan and paste it here to prove it .
Before 74 TC's population was 120 000 . these are the officia numbers .

TC's does not eating others cake .... foreigners like you or others are eating i can say .... and keep blaming all the time the TC's .... we have every rights on this island like other citizens of the Cyprus ..... we were equal partner of the ROC .... you have no rights to question about our doings ....


I'm well aware that TC's had ROC ID cards pre 74 so there is no need to scan it just for me but if you feel the need there's no problem in you doing so.

The comment I made was directed at Gav as he seems prepared for any eventuality and has the passport to prove it .

Now you seem to be going off at a tangent regarding my thoughts about Turkish Cypriots ~ as far as I'm concerned they are a part of Cyprus and I have no problems with them ~ sadly the settlers and the 40,000 Turkish military presence are not ~ as I mentioned in a previous thread you could cut that 40,000 down by 75% and still have no real reduction in your perceived protection from the Greek Cypriots ~ as for the settlers could you please tell me honestly why they are here . Settlers and Military presence will be solved out by talks . Now they are negatiating . Still up to now they were talking these issues at today meeting.
Now lets take some of your statements and answer them.
TC's do not eat others cake

Strange that when I went to get my ID card the office was full of Turkish Cypriots applying for their cards and when I commented to the girl on the desk how busy she was she commented that the passport office is just as busy.

They wants only to gets benefits of EU . Free travel ,free education , İ don't think they are happy by doing this . They have no choise .

Now if you are so happy with your lot in the TRNC why apply for Greek Cypriot documents ~ that is having your cake and nibbling at others too.
i have mine since 1971 . [color=red]Also my parents and family .my kids has only TRNC one. Also my family and i have British Passports too . İ was born during British Time.[/color]


foreigners like you or others are eating i can say .... and keep blaming all the time the TC's .


I think that you are way off the mark here as most foreigners living in the ROC couldn't care less about the Turkish Cypriots or the Greek Cypriots and their problems ~ and to be quite honest neither do the foreigners living in he north ~ whilst they may take a passing interest they don't have much interest in politics and came here for better life irrespective of what the political situation around them is.

foreigners coming to a country usually bring prosperity .
Even more so in Cyprus as most chose to retire here and bring a great deal of money to be spent in Cyprus .

You have certainly made a killing selling off properties in the north most of which were not yours to sell ~ so instead of foreigners eating your cake it's more the case of the foreigners providing the cake for you to eat
İ didn't sell or own any GC's property at all also none of my family members .We didn't kill anybody to sell their lands.
Some people might sell it not majority of the TC's .Stop calling them thieves .
The only blame I can lay at the TC's is the wholesale selling off of GC properties and I've commented on this many times on the forum plus your willingness to accept Turkish rule ~ you are effectively prisoners in your own land.

it is my choice . you never lived at enclave . i knew what was the my life at that time and how it is now .this is my free will .
we didn't lost our culture since 1878 .... we will not loose it at future as well .Our Children's are growing at our culture the way how our families are teach us since 1878. we don't need advocating


you have no idea about prisone at all .... if you had enclave times you will understand it . now i can go everywhere without fear and i can easily sleep at nights without fear .


Wait a few years until the settlers start out numbering the true Turkish Cypriots and watch your culture change ~ it will no longer be your promised land and will become "just" part of Turkey.

Our days will not worse than enclave times . we have some culturel differences also understanding eachothers as well sometimes but those are nothing when you compare with freedome and fear .

To be quite honest I can't see much difference in being a minority under Greek Cypriot rule or a minority under Turkish rule


we were equal partner of the ROC

Lets say you were but a invasion and the creation of a separate state has altered things ~ with a less than 30% of the population I always thought a 50/50 split was strange .

it was the only one way to forum ROC at 60's . Otherwise it wouldn't work .one side wanted division other side wanted to united with Greece.

you have no rights to question about our doings

Even as a foreigner living in Cyprus and having a interest here gives me the right to question what goes on here ~ just the same as a TC or GC would have the right to question / discuss polices / events if they were living in the UK for example.
you can question but at balanced level . i can read easily most of your comments .

Personally I don't agree that TC's should have free treatment ( if this is correct) in the ROC's hospitals if they don't pay into the system ~ I also didn't agree with the the TC's in the mixed village of Pyla not paying for any council taxes and electricity .

İ am not interesting about free treatments must be politicaly movement .few days ago both sides were agreed about treatments as well .may be TC's part of the help was going to ROC side from UN's .Must be things or plans which we don't know .

I'm all for fairness in life but when it gets one sided then I see a problem .

As a Turkish Cypriot you have the right to return and live in the ROC any time you wish ~ sadly a Greek Cypriot doesn't have that luxury.

İ don't think so .
Bill ~ who really would like to see fairness in Cyprus and a viable solution but I doubt if I'll ever see it.
İ also belive we must have a fair solution in Cyprus . Fair solution for both sides.
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Postby test004 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:50 am

learn some history pls:)
cyprus of course is greek go ask your philologist and pay him/her for some money to teach you history lessons

thanks i hope you are kid and no big guy
because i will be very disappointment
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