Arguments after 1st julay meeting at North
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| halil wrote: |
| We would like to know what is the reaction of the Greek Cypriots against yesterday meeting ? |
You will know it in due time. It's too early too say anything worthy.  |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| Umit all we are waiting for is the GCs to pull out on some technical point, then the world will act as they are fed up with Cypriot bullshit of wanting unification.. |
It looks like the UN will force the talks to start like always. What we , the TC side have to do make our minds up about what we want to achieve. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:40 pm |
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Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:44 pm |
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| halil wrote: |
| We would like to know what is the reaction of the Greek Cypriots against yesterday meeting ? |
There are no serious reactions yet, since we do not know the details of what has been discussed and what exactly has been agreed. If we take the letter of the announcement, that the two leaders agreed in principle for a single sovereignty and single citizenship, then this is a positive step, even though by itself is not sufficient! As they say, “the devil is in the details!”
For example, the EU has one single personality, and there is a single one EU citizenship; however, the EU member states retain their own international "nation-state" personality and their separate citizenships as well! Of course, the EU is not an accurate example since in reality it is only a club of nations (a confederation at least) and not a single sovereign nation-state! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:01 pm |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
You are perfectly right Kikabu, however, can you take a guess as to why the Turkish /TC side is making all these absurd claims and demands that only delay the process? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:10 pm |
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| umit07 wrote: |
| Viewpoint wrote: |
| Umit all we are waiting for is the GCs to pull out on some technical point, then the world will act as they are fed up with Cypriot bullshit of wanting unification.. |
It looks like the UN will force the talks to start like always. What we , the TC side have to do make our minds up about what we want to achieve. |
Yes "umit07,” you are absolutely right! It is about time you (TCs) make up your minds as to what you want to achieve. You either want a re-unification solution on the basis the high level agreements, the UN resolutions, international legality and the fact that Cyprus is now a member of the EU; or you want partition on the basis of an 82:18 percent split, because that is how much your share of this island is! The third alternative of course is for the status quo to continue indefinitely, which means your isolation to continue, Turkey to continue paying millions in compensations, year after year, and in 2009 to also get the final "boot" from her EU accession process! |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Kikapu wrote: |
Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
You are perfectly right Kikabu, however, can you take a guess as to why the Turkish /TC side is making all these absurd claims and demands that only delay the process? |
Errrr, let me see.!! 
I know. Blame the failure of the talks on the Turk hating Papadopoulos, and demand that the world MUST now recognise the "trnc", because the GC's do not want a "Fair and Just" peace..!!  |
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Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
You are perfectly right Kikabu, however, can you take a guess as to why the Turkish /TC side is making all these absurd claims and demands that only delay the process? |
Errrr, let me see.!!
I know. Blame the failure of the talks on the Turk hating Papadopoulos, and demand that the world MUST now recognise the "trnc", because the GC's do not want a "Fair and Just" peace..!! |
Yes but Papadopoulos has gone already, and this trick can no longer work, in spite and regardless of the fact that Bananiot has thrown his "life jacket" already by claiming that he (Papadopoulos) is still behind Christofias and is pulling most of the strings! |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
You are perfectly right Kikabu, however, can you take a guess as to why the Turkish /TC side is making all these absurd claims and demands that only delay the process? |
Errrr, let me see.!!
I know. Blame the failure of the talks on the Turk hating Papadopoulos, and demand that the world MUST now recognise the "trnc", because the GC's do not want a "Fair and Just" peace..!! |
Yes but Papadopoulos has gone already, and this trick can no longer work, regardless of the fact that Bananiot has thrown his "life jacket" already by claiming that he (Papadopoulos) is still behind Christofias and is pulling most of the strings! |
NO, no, no, no Kifeas. Don't you know, that Christofias on his own is a nice guy and he promised to find a solution at all cost and all the TC leaders have been praising him since becoming President, to find a solution and a settlement, even though the AP will not be put on the table (just under the table for quick references by the TC's during the negotiations). But Papadopoulos will not let him, therefore it is not the TC's fault, or Christofias, but Papadopoulos. He just won't go away. He is still saying OXI, OXI, OXI...!! |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
You are perfectly right Kikabu, however, can you take a guess as to why the Turkish /TC side is making all these absurd claims and demands that only delay the process? |
Errrr, let me see.!!
I know. Blame the failure of the talks on the Turk hating Papadopoulos, and demand that the world MUST now recognise the "trnc", because the GC's do not want a "Fair and Just" peace..!! |
Yes but Papadopoulos has gone already, and this trick can no longer work, regardless of the fact that Bananiot has thrown his "life jacket" already by claiming that he (Papadopoulos) is still behind Christofias and is pulling most of the strings! |
NO, no, no, no Kifeas. Don't you know, that Christofias on his own is a nice guy and he promised to find a solution at all cost and all the TC leaders have been praising him since becoming President, and find a solution and a settlement, even though the AP will not be put on the table (just under the table for quick references by the TC's during the negotiations). But Papadopoulos will not let him, therefore it is not the TC's fault, or Christofias, but Papadopoulos. He just won't go away. He is still saying OXI, OXI, OXI.............!! |
It sounds like a very good and logical assessment! After all it has also been disclosed by Bananiot, therefore its validity should not be disputed! |
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