Arguments after 1st julay meeting at North
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| If you don't ask you don't get. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:46 am |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
Some questions to all.
1. How can you have one country with two seperate citizenship's, as the case in what some TC leaders want for Cyprus.?? Are there such examples anywhere in the world, or is this another one of those "virgin birth" ideas.?? Even in Switzerland, which is a Confederacy State with 26 Cantons with 4 different languages, yet, they are all proud to call themselves, Swiss.!! Am I missing something in what some of these TC leaders want. Just what is a definition of a "united Cyprus" anyway.?? "Separate but equal" perhaps, as the case was in the States before 1960's, which was very Racist to say the least.!!
2. What is the advantage of the GC's delaying any settlement talks that some TC leaders keep bringing up.?? Just what is the advantage for the GC's and disadvantages for the TC's if there are delays.??. Is there something very big waiting around the corner to take effect, if certain dates are not met to finalize the settlement.?? Surely by now everyone knows what the UN resolutions on what BBF is, so sooner they accept the obvious meaning of what BBF is and sooner they stop trying to redefine what BBF is, and sooner we fulfill all the Human Rights issues, then we should be mostly there at the finishing line with one or two more details to be cleared at the "goal line". |
Still waiting for some answers.!!
Isn't anyone going to defend any of these "accusations" thrown around by some TC leaders.??? |
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Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
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| Nikitas wrote: |
Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
Serdar is the opposition he will oppose the current leadership don't take much notice of him at the current time. The TCs want BBF with equal political equality of 2 founding states, with one nationality and one sovereignty just like the former Serbia and Montenegro. |
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| ... or the 13 states that founded the United States of America. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:15 am |
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Reassuring to hear that, and hopefully no one will go back on their word when it is their turn in government. This time there is a chance, because the talks are between Cypriots, in Cyprus. I could never understand the purpose of flying two Nicosia residents to New York for talks. as used to happen in the past. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:17 am |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
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Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
Serdar is the opposition he will oppose the current leadership don't take much notice of him at the current time. The TCs want BBF with equal political equality of 2 founding states, with one nationality and one sovereignty just like the former Serbia and Montenegro. |
Serbia and Montenegro were already a "founding states" before being forced to become YOUGOSLAVIA. So far there is only one "founding state" in CYPRUS, which is the RoC. Which is the other state that can be included in this "founding state" philosophy of yours.?? If you say the "trnc", then you have not answered the question put to you, or you just simply do not know the answer.!!
The only 2 states that can be created to satisfy the UN's resolution on BBF for Cyprus, will be in the form of a True Federation, and after the Federal Government is formed, then comes the two states, and not before.
DON'T TRY TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, or in another words, ASS BACKWARDS.!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:18 am |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
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Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
Serdar is the opposition he will oppose the current leadership don't take much notice of him at the current time. The TCs want BBF with equal political equality of 2 founding states, with one nationality and one sovereignty just like the former Serbia and Montenegro. |
interesting you mention Serbia and Montenegro. Says a lot about your intentions. |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
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| Nikitas wrote: |
Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
Serdar is the opposition he will oppose the current leadership don't take much notice of him at the current time. The TCs want BBF with equal political equality of 2 founding states, with one nationality and one sovereignty just like the former Serbia and Montenegro. |
Serbia and Montenegro were already a "founding states" before being forced to become YOUGOSLAVIA. So far there is only one "founding state" in CYPRUS, which is the RoC. Which is the other state that can be included in this "founding state" philosophy of yours.?? If you say the "trnc", then you have not answered the question put to you, or you just simply do not know the answer.!!
The only 2 states that can be created to satisfy the UN's resolution on BBF for Cyprus, will be in the form of a True Federation, and after the Federal Government is formed, then comes the two states, and not before.
DON'T TRY TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, or in another words, ASS BACKWARDS.!!! |
If there is a will there is a way the TRNC can be turned into a founding state on the 31st and then into a founding state in a Federal union the next day. This can be formulized if need be, the basic desire is to have 2 equal states founding one country with one identity. |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
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Looks again that the TC side wants BBf a la carte, saying yes to political equality of the constituent parts but rejecting single sovereignty and single citizenship. Looking around at federal systems, USA, Canada, Germany, Switzerlan, Belgium and others the system always involves a single nationality and single sovereignty. There is no such thing as a French Canadian citizen, or an Italian Swiss, or a Californian.
At some point the TC comunity must come clean and tells us what it wants. When some people like Serdar Denktash stress they will never accept the single sovereignty or single nationality, in effect they are rejecting the very idea of federation, so what the hell are we talking about here? |
Serdar is the opposition he will oppose the current leadership don't take much notice of him at the current time. The TCs want BBF with equal political equality of 2 founding states, with one nationality and one sovereignty just like the former Serbia and Montenegro. |
Serbia and Montenegro were already a "founding states" before being forced to become YOUGOSLAVIA. So far there is only one "founding state" in CYPRUS, which is the RoC. Which is the other state that can be included in this "founding state" philosophy of yours.?? If you say the "trnc", then you have not answered the question put to you, or you just simply do not know the answer.!!
The only 2 states that can be created to satisfy the UN's resolution on BBF for Cyprus, will be in the form of a True Federation, and after the Federal Government is formed, then comes the two states, and not before.
DON'T TRY TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, or in another words, ASS BACKWARDS.!!! |
If there is a will there is a way the TRNC can be turned into a founding state on the 31st and then into a founding state in a Federal union the next day. This can be formulized if need be, the basic desire is to have 2 equal states founding one country with one identity. |
You are always thinking VP, but so are others.
Once the "trnc" gets a recognition on the 31st, what is to stop you calling off the whole Federation Union thing the next day on the 1st. ?? :
So what's wrong with having a True Federation of two states established once the Federal Government is put in place, where there is no room for and "hanky panky" at all. If you don't have any ulterior motives of "hanky panky", then there shouldn't be any problem, right VP.!!
Besides, don't expect the GC's will want to give the "trnc" an ounce of recognition, no matter what happens. |
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