Denktash going down?
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How many lead weights would they need to attach to Denktash to sink him  |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:07 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| How many lead weights would they need to attach to Denktash to sink him |
Just one very big one  Actually, thinking about it, maybe they could get a submarine and fire a torpedo at him  |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:25 am |
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| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
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| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:27 am |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:59 am |
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| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:17 pm |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
The Megali Idea is nothing like Turkish Expansionism.
The one pertains to a wish to regain what was once historically significant territories for the Hellenic world .... and the other is .... well just Turkish greed to take over the world and certainly parts they have not had links to upon emergence from nomadic habits. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:22 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
The Megali Idea is nothing like Turkish Expansionism.
The one pertains to a wish to regain what was once historically significant territories for the Hellenic world .... and the other is .... well just Turkish greed to take over the world and certainly parts they have not had links to upon emergence from nomadic habits. |
Turanism is a very specific ideology, and has nothing to do with Turkish expansionism. It considers all speakers of Turkic languages to be members of the same race, who should therefore unite in one state. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:27 pm |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
The Megali Idea is nothing like Turkish Expansionism.
The one pertains to a wish to regain what was once historically significant territories for the Hellenic world .... and the other is .... well just Turkish greed to take over the world and certainly parts they have not had links to upon emergence from nomadic habits. |
Turanism is a very specific ideology, and has nothing to do with Turkish expansionism. It considers all speakers of Turkic languages to be members of the same race, who should therefore unite in one state. |
Yes Tim, hence the tactics with the settlers ... 
They send forth Turkic speaking peoples ... then they colonise ... then they annexe .... hence expansionist! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:43 pm |
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| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
The Megali Idea is nothing like Turkish Expansionism.
The one pertains to a wish to regain what was once historically significant territories for the Hellenic world .... and the other is .... well just Turkish greed to take over the world and certainly parts they have not had links to upon emergence from nomadic habits. |
Turanism is a very specific ideology, and has nothing to do with Turkish expansionism. It considers all speakers of Turkic languages to be members of the same race, who should therefore unite in one state. |
Yes Tim, hence the tactics with the settlers ...
They send forth Turkic speaking peoples ... then they colonise ... then they annexe .... hence expansionist! |
You are confusing two very different things, I am afraid. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:46 pm |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Oracle wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| DT. wrote: |
| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| Magnus wrote: |
I thought this bit (from the same article) was very interesting:
| Cyprus Mail wrote: |
| Denktash had an “ideological identification” with the Ergenekon group and believed, like the group, in pan Turkism, a romantic notion whereby all Turkish-speaking and ethnically Turkish peoples unite to form a greater Turkish nation |
It reminds me of a little Austrian chap with a funny mustache saying something similar about Germans... |
It reminds me far more of the Megali Idea. |
WHen was the last time you heard a Greek or Cypriot politician make such blatant expansionist remarks about the Megali Idea as Denktash (and others) frequently do about Pan-Turkism? |
That is because the Megali Idea is dead. When it was in its heyday, the kind of claims made in its support are astonishingly similar to those made by Turanists (eg consult the text of a speech made by Ioannis Kolettis to the parliament in Athens in 1844).
Turanism (or pan-Turkism) has extremely few supporters in Turkey. |
The Megali Idea is nothing like Turkish Expansionism.
The one pertains to a wish to regain what was once historically significant territories for the Hellenic world .... and the other is .... well just Turkish greed to take over the world and certainly parts they have not had links to upon emergence from nomadic habits. |
Turanism is a very specific ideology, and has nothing to do with Turkish expansionism. It considers all speakers of Turkic languages to be members of the same race, who should therefore unite in one state. |
Yes Tim, hence the tactics with the settlers ...
They send forth Turkic speaking peoples ... then they colonise ... then they annexe .... hence expansionist! |
You are confusing two very different things, I am afraid. |
No Tim .... you are confusing them as two different things.
I see them as ONE .... |
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