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Here's all about Cyprus issue

Postby insan » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:57 pm

Here's all about Cyprus issue:
My opinions are confirmed by unbiased sources(i.e www.cyprus-conflict.net)

TCs and GCs were living in peace under the British Rule but in early 30s a group of fascist GCs demanded Enosis(Annexation with Greece)... TCs didn't accepted their demand... but that group of fascist GCs who were influenced by megali idea insisted on Enosis...Britain proposed to Cypriots a self-government excluded self-determination but rejected by those so called frontmen, fascist GC group... their only aim was Enosis... In early 50s they formed an armed underground organization called EOKA in order to end the British Rule and annex the Cyprus to Greece... They never asked to TCs if they agree with them or not... In that case a group of fascist TCs demanded whole Cyprus to be handed over to Turkey... Later they demanded half of it which is namely Taksim.

Naturally, in early 50s till 59 they prefer to be on Britishes side for their security and survival... They voluntarily took side at Brits otherwise they won't be able to struggle against EOKA and Enosis...

Those two fascist groups incited and provoked whole innocent Cypriots who were living in peace in their villages and made them fight with each other... Many innocents had lost their lives in the first period of this disgusting fascist gang fight in the years 1950-1959...

Then the Republic of Cyprus had been established with the 60s treaties which was signed by two communities, Greece, Turkey and UK...

Those 2 fascist groups namely EOKA and TMT continued their illegal actions and provokings in Republic of Cyprus... They abused every problem among two communities in order to achieve their aims Taksim/Enosis...

After 1963 it got worse and worse and finally turned out to a vendetta.... So many innocents lost their lives because of those fascist nationalist seperatist groups gang fight... They divided two communities who were mostly knew each others language, had partnerships, living in peace, respect each other...

Then in 1974 a Greek coup dropped down the president Makarios, killed more than 2000 national guard soldiers(GCs) and tookover the power illegally acording to 60s treaties... Turkey used her right given by the 60s treties and interfered inorder to restore the state of affairs...

But they abused this legal right and illegaly divided Island in order to achieve Taksim... International community didn't accept Turkeys illegal actions after her legal interferation...

Whole world put embargos on both Turkey and north Cyprus but later on as far as I remeber in 1977 the embargos lifted on Turkey, surprisingly; altough Cyprus problem hadn't been solved and division sustained...

The fascist leaders of both communities who caused all of those disaster never have been interrogated because of what they had done... Despite of that they kept going to negotiate for so called solution...

For 40 years same fascist leaders of both communities met and negotiate for a solution... but they never reached a conclusion cause the GC leaders hidden aim was Enosis and TC leaders aim was Taksim...

I think you know the rest of the story...


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Postby PEACE » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:11 am

Ummm thanks for this objective Cyprus history summary! :wink: I hope we learned many things from the past and we won't make same mistakes again!
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:11 am

So this cyprus-conflict.net was written by Allah and God and that’s why it is unbiased?

Cypriots fought against the colonialists like so many other countries did around the globe. I don’t think you would call the Americans that fought against the British for their independence as a group of fascists, right? (actually they are called patriots, a Greek word, meaning: “those who love their country”).

These colonialists in order to continue their rule over Cyprus applied their "divide and rule" methods, thus turning a small minority against the majority of this island.

Turkish Cypriots are the people that the colonialists used in order to achieve their own goals in Cyprus. This continues even today.

This is not to say that Greek Cypriots didn’t do mistakes and that no Greek Cypriot participated in a terrorist organization (EOKA B), but the way you presented it is like we share the exact same amount of responsibility, which is not the case.

Also, your claim that after 74 our leaders aim was (is?) enosis, is simply a lie and it is just another lame attempt to give equal blame to both communities.

Being objective is one thing, and simply splitting the blame into two equal parts is another.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:34 pm

www.cyprus-conflict.net hadn't been created by God but some Cypriot social scientists in collaboration of some foreign writers and reserchers... You should read some more to understand who is to blame more...


Some useful, unbiased sources to read and learn more about disgusting fascist gang fight in Cyprus...

Cyprus War
for Union with Greece
1954-1959


http://www.regiments.org/milhist/wars/2 ... cyprus.htm

"...Since securing independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1831, Greece claimed Cyprus due to its majority Greek population. Indeed, the new monarch was styled "King of the Hellenes" to emphasize sovereignty over Greeks everywhere. Enosis (union) with Greece was also the aspiration of Greek Cypriots..."





THE BIGGEST CRIMINAL OF CYPRUS TRAGEDY: GRIVAS

http://www.geocities.com/helleniccyprus/grivas.html


"...Georgios Grivas, who grew up with the dream of a "Great Greece", left Cyprus in 1916 and studied at the Athens Military Academy..."

"...Thereafter Grivas focused on the idea of liberating Cyprus from the British colonial rule and its Union with mainland Greece (ENOSIS), an ideal nourished by generations of Greek Cypriots. As a member of the secret Committee for the Cyprus Struggle he took the oath of ENOSIS together with the newly elected Archbishop Makarios III, with whom he collaborated for preparing the armed struggle. He arrived secretly in Cyprus in November 1954 and began immediately the formation of his underground organization EOKA . On 1st April 1955 with a declaration that he signed as DIGENIS and a number of explosions in the four major cities and military installations, he announced the beginning of his campaign for Self Determination – Union with Greece. He directed the first EOKA operations from his hideout in Nicosia but soon after he moved to the Troodos mountains to lead his guerrilla teams. He escaped capture twice after he was surrounded by British forces at Spilia in December 1955 and at Kykkos in May 1956. A month later he left the mountains and found refuge in a hideout at Limassol from where he directed not only the military activities but also the political campaign, since Archbishop Makarios in March 1956 was exiled by the authorities. With leaflets and the EOKA operations that included demonstrations, slogans, strikes, sabotage, bomb and machinegun attacks and ambushes, raised the people’s fighting spirit and drove men, women and even children to acts of self-sacrifice for the ideal of freedom and ENOSIS..."



http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/11.htm

"...During a difficult summer of attacks and counterattacks, the Tripartite Conference of 1955 was convened in London in August at British invitation; representatives of the Greek and Turkish governments met with British authorities to discuss Cyprus--a radical departure from traditional British policy. Heretofore the British had considered colonial domestic matters internal affairs not to be discussed with foreigners. Greece accepted the invitation with some hesitation, because no Cypriots had been invited, but reluctantly decided to attend. The Turks also accepted. The meeting broke up in September, having accomplished nothing. The Greeks were dissatisfied because Cypriot self-determination (a code word for enosis) was not offered; the Turks because it was not forbidden.
A bombing incident at the Turkish consulate in Salonika, Greece, a day before the meeting ended led to serious rioting in Istanbul and zmir. It was later learned that the bombing had been carried out by a Turk, and that the riots had been prearranged by the government of Turkey to bring pressure on the Greeks and to show the world that Turks were keenly interested in Cyprus. The Turkish riots got so out of hand and destroyed so much Greek property in Turkey that Premier Adnan Menderes called out the army and declared martial law. Greece reacted by withdrawing its representatives from the NATO headquarters in Turkey, and relations between the two NATO partners became quite strained...."



http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/renewal_ ... '57-58.htm

"...In the meantime EOKA had renewed violence. Its first target was the left wing. AKEL, by its passive attitude to the struggle, had lost ground to the nationalists. Nevertheless, with its admirable record in social welfare, labour and municipal affairs, it still constituted the only serious challenge to the Church politicians in the long term. All the leading Akelists formerly held by the British in detention camps were now free and Ziartides, the Secretary-General of PEO, had recently returned from England. The timing of the Colonel's sudden outbursts against the leftists usually defied rational explanation. But on this occasion he may well have calculated that the time was opportune to weaken the leftists before they had a chance to rebuild their strength, and to impress again upon the Americans the inherently anti-communist character of EOKA before the Archbishop's forthcoming campaign in the United States.

The attacks against the leftists took the form of isolated incidents mainly in villages. Most of the victims were trade unionists. Four men were thrashed by an EOKA group at Vokolida. At Avgorou masked men tied a villager to a post at night, leaving a warning notice that he was not to be released until daylight. The attacks continued into the late autumn. The Central Committee of AKEL had from the first urged all parties to set aside their differences and continue the struggle for Enosis. Abusive and indecent attacks against the left, AKEL maintained, merely undermined the national effort and the provocation of the villagers by the right wing assisted the colonialists in their policy of 'divide and rule'.
EOKA then turned to the few remaining village mukhtars. Although their services were essential to the villagers, EOKA looked upon them as the tools of the administration and many had resigned under pressure..."


http://www.justice4cyprus.org/letter.htm

"...The Letter Sent by Archbishop Makarios to the President of the Greek Republic, General Phaedon Gizikis on 2 July 1974

Mr. President,
It is with profound grief that I have set out for you certain inadmissible situations and events in Cyprus for which I regard the Greek government responsible.


Since the clandestine arrival of General Grivas in Cyprus in September 1971, rumours have been circulating and there have been reliable indications that he came to Cyprus at the instigation and with the encouragement of certain circles in Athens. In any case, it is certain that from the first days of his arrival here, Grivas was in touch with officers from Greece serving in the National Guard from whom he received help and support in his effort to set up an unlawful organisation and allegedly to fight for Enosis. And he established the criminal EOKA 'B' organization, which has become the cause and source of many sufferings for Cyprus. The activity of this organization, which has committed political murders and many other crimes under a patriotic mantle advancing Enosis slogans, is well known. The National Guard, which is staffed and controlled by Greek Officers, has been from the outset the main supplier of men and material to EOKA 'B', the members and supporters of which were euphemistically self-styled the 'Enosis camp'.
I have many times asked myself why an unlawful and nationally harmful organization which is creating division and dissension, causing rifts in our internal front and leading the Greek Cypriot people to civil strife, is supported by Greek officers. And I have also many times wondered whether such support has the approval of the Greek government."



www.justice4cyprus.org/1967crisis_a.htm

The Crisis in 1967
CIA funding of EOKA B

According to documents obtained by the Cyprus Government, the
EOKA-B ultra-right faction received 6,000 US dollars a day - the money was sent via the regime in Athens, and originated from
an individual who was in close communication with the CIA station in Athens.

Laurence Stern, in his book "The Wrong Horse: The Politics of Intervention and the Failure of American Diplomacy"


[size=12]"...Both communities rejected the Acheson Plan; the Greek Cypriots because they saw too much being conceded, the Turkish Cypriots because too little was being conceded even though this plan proposed partition. The United Nations came up with Galo Plaza’s proposal to remove foreign interference and to allow the two communities to resolve their differences, an approach that the Turks found “unacceptable”, especially as Galo Plaza had rejected the Turkish Cypriot leadership position that the two communities could not cooperate and coexist peacefully. [/size]
The Cypriot Government did all that was in its power to restore the situation to normality. President Makarios wanted a Cypriot unitary state with wide guarantees for the Turkish Cypriot minority, whereas the Turkish Cypriots counter proposed the partition of the island into two cantonal states with largely external powers for a central federal government. However by the end of 1967 a new crisis commenced. The Turkish Cypriot leaders announced the establishment of a "transitional administration" to govern their community’s affairs "until such time as the provisions of the Constitution of 1960 have been fully implemented." The body’s president was Fazil Küçük, vice-president of the republic; the body’s vice-president was Rauf Denktash, president of the Turkish Cypriot Communal Chamber..."
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:00 pm

OK... Let's question the facts that we've seen affect from 1930 till now...

1- Why did a group of GCs which I define them as fascists, demand Enosis(union) with Greece?

2- What could two communities which were 75/25 on population basis, do together in collaboration; for their freedom?

3- Had Eoka been formed liberation or armed fight for union with Greece?

4- An armed struggle for annexation with Greece which hadn't been accepted by that countries %25 of people and if most of the others threatened to accept or decieved; could it be a right action?

5- Should TCs which were living on their homeland Cyprus, submit Enosis?

6- Wasn't it a fascist action which a group of TCs put on agenda, demanding Cyprus to be handed over to Turkey and later on partition(Taksim)? Can we say they were rightful because a group of fascist GCs demanded union with Greece?

7- What should the TCs frontmen reaction be?

8- It seems the problem had been initiated between those two fascist groups, ain't it? Was there any foreign influence or enforcemnet on them; other than which directed unofficially from their motherlands?

9- So... Did they incite, provoke and terrorize the innocents for their fascist aims? Was it right?

10- What those two fascist gangs should do legally in order to achieve their aims(Enosis/Taksim)?

11- Didn't leaders of both communities, Greece, Turkey and UK sign the 60s treaties, either international enforcement or voluntarily?

12- Then why did those two fascist gangs kept acting illegally with their underground organizations namely Eoka/TMT?

13- Had Akritas plan which been published by a GC daily in 1966, made for destruction of TCs? It had been published in 1966.. in which year had it been made and by whom?

14- It's obvious that so many illegal actions took place between 1963 and 1966... Had any of the gand leaders who were responible of that illegal actions arrested and jailed? If not, why?


I'll later resume the other questions for the period 1966- present time...

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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:27 pm

I didn't have time to read your book. If you want I will copy and paste a couple of hundred of unbiased pages that prove the exact opposite of what you say. It is really easy you know.

You copy paste some crap that some people wrote (you even have geocities pages!!) like they are the most authoritative writings ever created!
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:28 pm

You didn't realize yet that this propaganda created mainly for internal consumption will gain you nothing?
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Postby insan » Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:06 pm

Two more questions for the above period...

- What could Brits do other than proposing a self-government to both communities? Where did Brits go wrong?

- Was Grivas a guerilla, hero, liberation fighter, comunist head hunter, TC murderer, fascist or a patriotic man? What was his rights and wrongs?
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Postby mehmet » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:40 pm

Let me guess, he was a freedom fighter even though it was only for the freedom of the 80% Greek Cypriots he was interested in. The fact that his fighters killed members of the Turkish Cypriot community as well as British soldiers does not matter. Even though he killed communists in Greece after WW2 doesn't mean nothing because he was a true hero of the Greek Cypriot cause of Enosis which of course would have treated its opponents with all the respect and human rights it was possible for a right wing nationalist group to give. The fact of support from the Greek Orthodox Church is no problem either.

Of course this is supposed to be ironic but the fact that some may think Grivas a hero is part of the reason we have division of Cyprus today.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:12 pm

Your attempt to associate the great majority of Greek Cypriots that will say "no" with somebody like Grivas is an insult to the people that believed and continue to believe in democracy.

For you information, the only major party that said "yes" to Annan plan (Disi) is the only party that honors Grivas and his actions.

Your attempts to portrait the people that believe in democracy and human rights as terrorists and extremists are indeed miserable.
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