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[Piratis]

You keep equating Papadopoulos and Denctash which is a mistake.

Papadopoulos truly represents the majority of Greek Cypriots and has a federal solution as an aim.
Denctash would not be there without the settlers and serves (served?) the interests of Turkey. What he wants is two separate states.

The Annan plan is a creation of the Anglo Americans. We tried to improve it but neither the Anglo Americans nor Denctash and Turkey cooperated. Not only that, but they gave to Turkey almost everything to satisfy them.

So by "winning" all those things in the negotiations because of pressure of the Anglo Americans on Annan to favor Turkey we lost the chance to have something that could be accepted by both sides.

We do want to share Cyprus with TC. You are the ones who want the racist separation of people along ethnic lines. I hope that soon you will realize that with cooperation and unity we can both gain more than separation and hate.

[metecyp]

You keep equating Papadopoulos and Denctash which is a mistake. Papadopoulos truly represents the majority of Greek Cypriots and has a federal solution as an aim.
Denctash would not be there without the settlers and serves (served?) the interests of Turkey. What he wants is two separate states.

Denktas and Papadopoulos are exactly the same type of politicians. They are the politicians of the past. They live with the past. You're right that majority of GCs still support this old fashioned politicians, and maybe that's the problem.

Your side never wanted to share RC with TCs, and our side always wanted seperation and taksim. In the last 10 years, the progressive TCs engaged in a major struggle in the north and they managed to change people's minds that taksim is not the way to go. They also managed to get into power in the north, and with the help of a progressive government in Turkey, we're here now.

However, the same type of movement never happenned in the south. People still vote for the politicians that never believed in RC and or even if they believed, never wanted to share. Until we have similar movement in the south, I'm afraid we'll keep waiting.

[michalis5354]

Who said that Papadopoulos accepts the Federal aggreements of 1977 ?. When did he openly refered to such aggrements as a basis for a solution?having heard him I get an impression that his ideal solution has nothing to do even with Federation and nothing to do even with all provisions of the cyprus republic. He is a corrupt politician similarly to Sadam Hussein.

[Piratis]

michalis, democracy with a 75% "no" vote gave the answer to you. You are entitled to your opinion, but get over it: you represent only a small minority of GC.

Metecyp, we will keep waiting until a fair solution is presented to us. You had Denctash for decades, and he is still there. Meanwhile we changed 5 presidents through democratic elections (no settlers voted in our side).

The 75% of GC that voted "no" didn't vote "no" to solution. They voted "no" to the Annan partition plan.

[PEACE]

Metecyp, we will keep waiting until a fair solution is presented to us.

Among this sentence something took my attention!

a fair solution is presented to us

Us is?? Greek Cypriots? What's your fair solution? Your fair solution can't be unfair for us!

[Piratis]

Peace, fair for us, doesn't mean unfair for you. A solution can be fair for all Cypriots if we can agree between us and leave the interests of Turkey and UK out. (as much as possible).

We should all think like Cypriots that have common interests, and not like Turks and Greeks that hate each other. (this was an achievement of the British).

[metecyp]

Meanwhile we changed 5 presidents through democratic elections (no settlers voted in our side).

You said you changed 5 presidents, but Papadopoulos was in Zurich when we signed the establishment of RC, and he's one of the people (along with AKEL) who opposed the idea. So after 40 years, you're still in the same position.

[Piratis]

Metecyp, I disagree with you about Papadopoulos, but if he is the obstacle because for some reason you don't trust him then personally I have no problem if he goes and somebody else comes. But this somebody will be one that will represent the majority (therefore it will not be Cleredes or Vasiliou).

I was born after 74, and you know my opinions. Theoretically speaking if a president was somebody like me, would that be ok for you?

[MicAtCyp]

Mehmet,
Everything was a setup.Denktash did not negotiate in Nicosia, nothing was agreed in Nicosia,nothing was agreed in Lucerne, and Anan excercised his adbirtration as agreed long ago between him, bush, and Turkey. Simple as that. That is why we will never again accept an arbitration. And yes I do blame the AngloAmericans please just read a little the Anan Plan.
If you are interested to see my full comments and analyses go here.Because I do know what I am talking about.
http://groups.msn.com/CyprusForum/_messageboard.msnw
http://groups.msn.com/CyprusTalks/trke. ... l_topics=1

[mehmet]

[quote="MicAtCyp"]Mehmet,
nothing was agreed in Nicosia,nothing was agreed in Lucerne, and Anan excercised his adbirtration as agreed long ago between him, bush, and Turkey. Simple as that.

Exactly, Annan was left to finish off what two Cypriots weren't prepared to do. Personally speaking I prefer politicians that take their responsibilities more seriously. I am not going to blame Annan, Uk or anyone else. It is naive to expect that no one outside Cyprus will have an interest in what goes on there. There are plenty of Cypriots with blood on their hands who are quite happy to have the rest of the world take the blame.

On another point, in UK when there was a peace plan for Northern Ireland, every household was given a copy of the agreement so that they can read for themselves rather than have others interpret for them.

Finally, arbitration is a last resort when two parties can't come to an agreement. You might never agree to it again but leaders in Cyprus can't make agreement seperately you maintain status quo.