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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:01 pm

so tell me is our common future in those fascist gangs hands?


I don't think so. I mean Denctash is out, and I believe you have people like Gray wolves under control, right?

In our side, there are some people that still honor people that where responsible for the coup, but those people are a small minority and therefore they can not cause any damage. If they try to do anything now they will be punished for what they did now. We will not let anybody spoil it again.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:01 pm

Piratis wrote:I can understand that you wouldn't want such thing (and personally I wouldn't like to live in a far district of Greece either) but to go on and say that the people that fought against the colonialists where fascists is something very different that I can't agree.

This is why I said we should leave past behind. Today nobody wants enosis, so lets first solve the problems of today that affect us directly and then we will have all the time we need to find the "correct history" if such thing exists.



Enosis doesn't just mean annexation with Greece, Hellenization of Cyprus as well...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:04 pm

Enosis doesn't just mean annexation with Greece, Hellenization of Cyprus as well...


What do you mean by "Hellenization"? Throwing all Turkish Cypriots out or what?
Since we agreed for a federation within which you will have autonomy, I don't see why this worries you.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:47 pm

Piratis wrote:
Enosis doesn't just mean annexation with Greece, Hellenization of Cyprus as well...


What do you mean by "Hellenization"? Throwing all Turkish Cypriots out or what?
Since we agreed for a federation within which you will have autonomy, I don't see why this worries you.



This doesn't worry me.. I worry about Cypriots that will face more crisis, if "those" GCs plan to Hellenize Cyprus "democraticaly" by way of oppressment and Akritas like abusive policies...


I personally can live anywhere in this world under any nations rule... I don't mind what my or others origins are... I consider myself as a human being but I was born in Cyprus, my grandads dad is even a Cypriot... I love Cyprus and wish to live here till I die and of coarse I want my son to live in this beautiful Island in peace and don't suffer because of those bunch of fascist gangs stupid, illegal actions...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:18 pm

What Cypriots want is to live in a democratic country like any other country in Europe, to have their 60" plasma TVs and to make their holidays around the world.
What I mean is that what everybody cares about today is their well being and security and not things like "Hellenization" etc.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:23 pm

If you come and see how many British, Russians, Philipinos, Shri Lankes, Arabs etc live here, and how many more will come now from easter Europe you will see that nobody thinks of Cyprus as a place that should be inhabited only by Greeks. We really like the many cultures we have here.

This is what a british guy that lives in Cyprus wrote in the "Meet new people forum" some months ago:

I am, as described by one person in the original thread a naitive British person and its only mainly the five or so larger cities in the UK that have a high percentage of ethnic groups and even amongst these i have not witnessed the goings on that i have here.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:36 pm

I know what's going on in Cyprus... I live in Cyprus and have been in South countless times...


Of coarse... as long as the ruler is GCs and the foreign inhabitants are those you like, there's no problem... Are most of them wealthy enough to serve your benefits? Do most of the third world labourers work in pig farms or similar places under the minimal wages for some of your wild capitalists? How many of them work legally? How many of them imported illegaly just satisfy some greedy GC capitalists?

That's what you and your kind of GCs offering to TCs... nothing else...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:59 pm

you edited your post?
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:11 pm

No, most third world laborers work as directors of major companies. :roll:

There are Greek Cypriots that work in pig farms also. Cyprus is less capitalistic than most European countries. We have some of the most powerful worker unions, and the communist party here is the biggest party. But what do you expect us to do? Apply communism or what?
Either we like it or not we can not avoid capitalism.

T/C will be given a lot of financial support and I am sure many of them in a free economy will flourish like many Greek Cypriots did. At the same time, unions are strong here and they will not let workers to become victims.

Lets start with something simple:
Do you accept that the solution should create a federal, indepentent, democratic and united Cyprus?

If you do, then we can continue with each of those elements separetly and see if we can agree on the main points of each element.
If you don't agree I don't see how we can discuss anything further.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:22 pm

I considered the Annan Plan as the best temporary solution for Cypriots to start somewhere safe under its peculiar environment and circumstances...

To improve the plan and make it what we all like depends on Cypriots good will...

I believed that in 5 or 10 years time things could go well and we might make changes on some issues we dislike..

But vast majority of GCs demanded everything to be given them instantly...

And it seems one more opportunity have been missed....
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