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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:32 pm

If I said that T/C should come back to Republic of Cyprus as it was before 74 as a temporary solution and then with good will to change it to something that would satisfy T/C better, would you accept?

If we accepted the Annan plan as a "temporary solution" I can hear the T/C shouting in some years from now: "What? you want to change it? No way! You sign it! Try to change anything and you know that Turkey has the right to intervene!"

If its going to be temporary then it should be clear that it is temporary and it should be clear what will follow after this temporary and when.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:36 pm

Also how can we give a temporary citizenship to settlers? We are going to give it now, and then take it back?
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:50 pm

[quote="Piratis"]If I said that T/C should come back to Republic of Cyprus as it was before 74 as a temporary solution and then with good will to change it to something that would satisfy T/C better, would you accept?
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It's a question of trust... and Christofias government couldn't give that trust to TCs since the gates have been opened... TCs had and have so many difficulties in South and no serious measurements have been taken to solve their problems.

TCs still are not allowed to work at government offices... This is violation of 60s treaties...

Don't tell me that "Turkey violates the 60s treaties so that we have the same right to violate the 60s treaties."

If the problem is Turkeys violation the legal struggle must be given against government of Turkey...

To react an illegal action with another illegal action doesn't make it legal or rightful... Illegal is illegal...

That is Turkish/Greek governments and TC/GC communities biggest fault... To response an illegal action with another illegal action...

Our last 40 years full of reciprocal violations of treaties, laws and human rights...
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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:58 pm

If the problem is Turkeys violation the legal struggle must be given against government of Turkey...


Ok, so you accept Republic of Cyprus and see Turkey as an occupying force? Because I thought you didn't consider Republic of Cyprus as your own state, and you supported the illegal TRNC.
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Postby insan » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:07 am

I think we can't punish the settlers who had been imported illegaly for some politic interests of statusquoer seperatists. Most of them have been living in North Cyprus for more than 25 years... A time limit must be designate i.e it might be 20 years and others that who came Cyprus after 1984 must be withdrawn by Turkish government.


The ones that will stay and be given the citizenships must pay the price or rentals of the GC property they occupy... Otherwise they must abandon the GC property they use illegaly...


What do you think?
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Postby insan » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:13 am

Piratis wrote:Ok, so you accept Republic of Cyprus and see Turkey as an occupying force? Because I thought you didn't consider Republic of Cyprus as your own state, and you supported the illegal TRNC.



Under this circumstances how can I consider RoC as my own state? I'm a citizen of RoC but haven't got the same rights of GCs which had been given by the 60s treaties...


Turkey is an occupying force in Cyprus and RoC is the violator of TCs rights in Cyprus.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:09 am

Well said Insan.I am thinking and thinking about these issues....
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Until Turkey joins the EU....

Postby FinalFantasy » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:36 am

Until Turkey joins the EU… Non-resolution strategy
2004-04-26 | Afrika | ------------

The new plan by the TRNC and Turkey emerges succeeding the referendum

Until Turkey joins the EU… Non-resolution strategy

The public of the TRNC won a battle against Denktas with the help of the Turkish Government, yet failed to reach the resolution and its EU target… Turkey seems content about the outcome…
The resolution of the Cyprus issue is closely linked to the membership negotiations between Turkey and EU…

“I do not believe there could be another referendum,” Erdogan said. He hopes that the world extends its hands to aid the TRNC…
Erdogan contemplates that the unilateral integration of Greek Side to the EU on May 1st, without reaching a resolution then, will make the following resolution efforts harder.







soz whats your guys opinion about this article? :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:25 pm

FinalFantacy,
Turkey won a diplomatic victory with the Annan plan and this is irrespective of the referenda results. With either a "yes" or a "no" they could still control at least a part of Cyprus. With a "no" they control just the north part, with a "yes" they would control the whole island. In any case they are satisfied with the result and they definitely do not want a solution that will serve the interests of Cypriots and not their own.

Insan,
So if you are given the rights that you had in 1960 then you would consider RC your state? This sounds very fair, and I would definitely agree.
What I wouldn't agree is that you get your benefits in RC and then at the same time you support the TRNC and the occupation.

We should agree that all unfairness should be stooped for both TC and GC, and both TC and GC should stop supporting anything that creates an unfair situation for others and we should all do whatever we can to stop the injustices.
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:44 pm

Piratis wrote:
Insan,
So if you are given the rights that you had in 1960 then you would consider RC your state? This sounds very fair, and I would definitely agree.

- Of coarse...

What I wouldn't agree is that you get your benefits in RC and then at the same time you support the TRNC and the occupation.

- Those are %35 that voted no to Annan Plan... they support the TRNC and occupation, beside they don't want to get any benefits in RoC... Why do RoC put all of the TCs in same category and violate our rights?

We should agree that all unfairness should be stooped for both TC and GC, and both TC and GC should stop supporting anything that creates an unfair situation for others and we should all do whatever we can to stop the injustices.



- I totally agree with the above idea... What do you think to do for stopping the unfairness, individually or organizedly?

I personaly will bring a lawsuit to RoC to get all of my properties and loss of use compensations of that properties... I and my family never have used any of the GC properties after 74 but RoC have given our properties to some GCs use without our permission... Who gave this right to RoC to give my properties to some GCs without my permission?

Then I'll start a campaign to stimulate Cypriots demand the criminals of Cyprus tragedy to be reinvestigated, reprosecuted, reinterrogated and in the end if those suspecteds and accuseds are the criminals to be punished...
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